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Assassin 4.0 Augmentation (DPS): Power or Crit?

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Assassin 4.0 Augmentation (DPS): Power or Crit?

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Jinre_the_Jedi
10.26.2015 , 05:19 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Aelanis View Post
...Right. There's that. Starting at, what, 1400 Critical Rating and adding more isn't going to be that great. In PvE, you also run Accuracy and Alacrity, which detract heavily from your Critical Rating. Even so, you don't typically go above 1200 for Assassins in PvE for max DPS.

Carry on!

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Final closing thought: what are you assuming for armor on the target? That would hurt power more than crit, I'd think.
Well in full PvP gear you don't even reach the 1400 point, you stop at 1370 via 10/10 enhancement slots being Critical Rating. Unless that was affirmation to the fact that the math was in fact correct due to this being based on a PvP environment. As far as armor, I didn't even factor that in, but could you explain how that would matter? Does Critical hits bypass Damage Reduction via armor or something?

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allexj
10.26.2015 , 05:21 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandLordMenace View Post
Not necessarily. Your math is potentially off. MATH LESSON TIME See it this way:

Multiplicative percentages and additive percentages work differently.

Your example is flawed in that additive and multiplicative is the same in this particular example.

100%+40%=140% (additive, what you're assuming)

100%* 1.40=140% (Multiplicative, what I'm theorizing)

But change the percentages to something more realistic.

70% surge, 40% crit. The numbers change RADICALLY.

70%+40%= 110% (additive)
70%*1.40=98% (Multiplicative)

You're automatically jumping to the former when multiplicative items exist within the game (Warding Call is a multiplicative DR CD, not an additive one, same with the warzone adrenal, generally if things don't appear on your stat sheet directly, it's multiplicative, if they do, it's additive. Not exact, but GEEEEENERALLY that's how it works)

Also looking at things too far into the 1 hit standpoint is going to hurt you. Yes power is going to be good for that one god crit but your total frequency of burst is going to be better with crit and/or alacrity.

Also, relic windows don't shrink, if you're going to run a crit proc relic stack some alacrity to fit more GCDs into the relic window.
Auto crit is additive not multiple, otther wise it would be example:

damage 200*140% would be only 80 damage bounce, verses additive which would increase Damage total after power is added in by an additional 140%. So base damage rolled was 200+100 additional damage from power + 140% damage bounce after power is added is the only way to see the numbers we are seeing now.

Also idk of anyone actually figured out how the system rolls as that is a large factor here. If power damage bounce is add Before crit then it would be base damage + power bounce+crit/surge which imo looks like what happens., I have no factual proof. Now if the power roll happens after the crit surge roll the damage produced would be much lower.
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Aelanis
10.26.2015 , 05:40 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by allexj View Post
Auto crit is additive not multiple, otther wise it would be example:

damage 200*140% would be only 80 damage bounce, verses additive which would increase Damage total after power is added in by an additional 140%. So base damage rolled was 200+100 additional damage from power + 140% damage bounce after power is added is the only way to see the numbers we are seeing now.

Also idk of anyone actually figured out how the system rolls as that is a large factor here. If power damage bounce is add Before crit then it would be base damage + power bounce+crit/surge which imo looks like what happens., I have no factual proof. Now if the power roll happens after the crit surge roll the damage produced would be much lower.
Power Bounce? Power roll?

It's a 3 roll system. First: do you hit your target? If no, stop here, if yes, move on. Second: roll between your standard_health min and maxes (or your weapon damage min and maxes for Ranged/Melee abilities), then calculate damage based on the damage formula. Third: do you crit your target? If yes, multiply your damage by your Surge % + 1, if no, deal normal damage.
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stucknnola
10.26.2015 , 08:02 PM | #44
Being new to this particular game and trying to figure out how to outfit my Serenity this thread (and some others the main posters here have been on) plus the Dulfy guide have been very helpful.

Given I play primarily solo PvE how would you extrapolate this augmentation data to that setting? Dulfy 3.x was big on Willpower/Mastery. Can I safely use Power or Crit (depending on how I read the numbers here) instead of Mastery?

Thank you very much for the math.

Thanks.
p.s. if this is in the wrong thread let me know and I will post it elsewhere.

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Aelanis
10.26.2015 , 08:22 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by stucknnola View Post
Being new to this particular game and trying to figure out how to outfit my Serenity this thread (and some others the main posters here have been on) plus the Dulfy guide have been very helpful.

Given I play primarily solo PvE how would you extrapolate this augmentation data to that setting? Dulfy 3.x was big on Willpower/Mastery. Can I safely use Power or Crit (depending on how I read the numbers here) instead of Mastery?

Thank you very much for the math.

Thanks.
p.s. if this is in the wrong thread let me know and I will post it elsewhere.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=846045

Almost the right thread, mate. This is for PvP, though (and it should probably be marked as such).
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Jinre_the_Jedi
10.26.2015 , 08:49 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Aelanis View Post
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=846045

Almost the right thread, mate. This is for PvP, though (and it should probably be marked as such).
I guess I just assume that everyone knows that I PvP and that all of my threads are geared at that topic

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Evolixe
10.26.2015 , 10:35 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinre_the_Jedi View Post
Do note that this is with a FULL crit build btw, pushing it far beyond the DR for maximum burst in a PvP environment.

I will concede that in PvE it could be different, but in PvP, it's looking like Power all the way based on the math.
Only if you want to sacrifice the consistency of crits, and therefore the likelyness of a high burst window.. for the sake of maximum burst. That doesn't seem like a good contender to me, but like before; I am not one to say what you should do.

I can tell you though, I won't be running power augments.
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Lalainnia
10.26.2015 , 10:43 PM | #48
I'm highly jealous over the fact that assassins/shadows always have the best discussions about stuff in general even though I personally despise this class from 1.0 aways nice to come and read all the things and stuff
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Jinre_the_Jedi
10.26.2015 , 10:57 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
Only if you want to sacrifice the consistency of crits, and therefore the likelyness of a high burst window.. for the sake of maximum burst. That doesn't seem like a good contender to me, but like before; I am not one to say what you should do.

I can tell you though, I won't be running power augments.
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Evolixe
10.26.2015 , 11:00 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Lalainnia View Post
I'm highly jealous over the fact that assassins/shadows always have the best discussions about stuff in general even though I personally despise this class from 1.0 aways nice to come and read all the things and stuff
Haha, we just have a lot of people willing to speak up and give their 2c.
It helps that many of those have a good deal of knowledge about the class and the game in general as well


(Right, off to another 9-10hr workday. Hopefully I can finally level when I get back )
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