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Why Macros belong in TOR.

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Why Macros belong in TOR.

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ShadowSoljer
12.28.2011 , 12:47 PM | #391
Quote: Originally Posted by _compton_ View Post
Please demonstrate your sound grasp of macro mechanics by explaining the function of both focus and mouseover macros, and how they "destroy combat, make gameplay lazy, and eliminate skill from the game."
From my very first response. One button all my skills hur durr win!

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Battousaien
12.28.2011 , 12:48 PM | #392
Quote: Originally Posted by NightHawke View Post
Push button X, enable macro to push button Y,Z,A,B now you just enabled an item buff, two attack moves and a heal. How is that not automated?

That is just macro lite.

You are talking about some serious macros with your OP. And that is just wrong.
Quote: Originally Posted by Avaer View Post
Sorry but to want macros is just ridiculous. No real pvper is going to want macros!

How is it fun to have 1 button perform everything for you? I quit RIFT because of the damn macros. There was literally no skill at all.

Macros can stay in RIFT. SWtOR does not need it and is better off without it.

Quote: Originally Posted by NightHawke View Post
And people think I dont understand macros?


Let me break it down more...

Macro button F

Execute quickslot 10;

Execute ability jack you up;

Pause 1.1;

Execute ability jack up up more;

Execute emote /laugh;

Pause 1.1;

Execute ability heal me I am hurt;

End


Automated. Any questions?
Some people just don't get the point. I seriously think people argue because they like to argue.

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NightHawke
12.28.2011 , 12:48 PM | #393
Quote: Originally Posted by _compton_ View Post
Please demonstrate your sound grasp of macro mechanics by explaining the function of both focus and mouseover macros, and how they "destroy combat, make gameplay lazy, and eliminate skill from the game."
Oh and this I do not know, but there is no mouseover mechanics associate in TOR of any kind is there?

If not, they would have to rework code, and revamp the combat system.

Call me a doomsayer, but I already played that game, and it shut down December 15, 2011.
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sunsu
12.28.2011 , 12:48 PM | #394
Funny how things change, back in the day macro users were comsidered cheaters because it was a tool that eliminated hand eye coordination and finger speed. Now if you cant use them youre considered a noob.

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_compton_
12.28.2011 , 12:49 PM | #395
Quote: Originally Posted by Zarthorn View Post
Actually this was proven to be entirely false when most of those "2000+" Arena ranked players moved to WAR and got beaten senseless.

Blizzard even said themselves the Arena was a big mistake and not something they would ever do in any other mmo title in the future, not forgetting that competitive ranking was a figure so easily manipulated by "deals" between teams that rating became a running joke.

That's even before I go on to talk about the fact that every top team always featured the current OP FOTM classes, if they were truly as skilled as they claimed, they woulda done it with a lesser known team setup.

There is a reason the Elo rating system is constantly critised in gaming, there are too many factors that play into it that you wouldn't find in what Elo was orginally designed for.....Chess!

At least Microsoft have the right idea by trying to work a new system using the basis of Elo into one that accounts for other factors, Trueskill > any other system based on the archaic use of Elo only.
Considering the majority of players I've encountered in warzones up to this point backpedal and keyboard turn, it wouldn't require any more than basic competence.

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NightHawke
12.28.2011 , 12:49 PM | #396
Quote: Originally Posted by Battousaien View Post
Some people just don't get the point. I seriously think people argue because they like to argue.
I thought I was pretty clear as well. Thank you.
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Skiie
12.28.2011 , 12:50 PM | #397
Even SWG had its own macro system. Although IMO pvp is unstable and laggy at best right now I think that even if they were to involve macros they would just be useless anyways.

I still support the Idea of macros, but I support actually showing people the battle log and UI mods more. I'm on the ropes for re subbing because Bio ware is not being honest. they're doing a horrible job of hiding their obvious flaws, Ether that or I'm going to just pve with friends.

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Avaer
12.28.2011 , 12:50 PM | #398
Quote: Originally Posted by Yewcantcme View Post
These people don't seem like casual players to me. For the most part, they seem like they have a solid idea about what they're doing.

And as for them not knowing what macros are, I assure you that most of us hardcore pvpers do indeed know what they are, how they function, and purpose they serve. Quite frankly, we just are completely opposed to them. They destroy combat, make gameplay lazy, and completely take skill out of the game.

They're an un-neccesary mod to a game that people have become attached to because they cannot play to save their lives. If all of the macros supporters in this thread are as good at pvp as they say, then why do you want them? If you're a solid player, you would have no need for macros. Do they make combat easier? Yes, but that is the bad part. They make combat lazy, care-bearish, and catering to the players that don't know a CC from a damage ability.
Exactly! Any decent pvper will do fine as it is currently. Requesting to make things easier says it all right there. All those who want macros simply cannot perform well unless they only have to manage 3 or for keys. There is no denying it, so don't even try.
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Zarthorn
12.28.2011 , 12:51 PM | #399
Quote: Originally Posted by sunsu View Post
Funny how things change, back in the day macro users were comsidered cheaters because it was a tool that eliminated hand eye coordination and finger speed. Now if you cant use them youre considered a noob.
I still consider those that use Macros to win noobs, heck I used to purposely not use macros in Rift because it was more fun to beat the macro kiddies with actual skill.

To me and it always will be...

Macros is surmount to aim assist in FPS games, you are taking away a layer of complexity to dumb down to experience and thus the kill/win/whatever should be credited to the computer and not the player.

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JawaJedi
12.28.2011 , 12:52 PM | #400
If it hinders you, won't it hinder any other "highly competitive PvPer" as well? And as for the non-highly competitive ones, shouldn't you still be able to easily defeat them?

I'm a big fan of "Learn to Plan", so I'm sorta naturally against big things like this. You have to work within the system given to you. Now, I know MMOers are against this, but hey, thats it.
I'm not a huge PvPer, so I suppose my opinion doesn't really count, but that's my 2 cents.
Quote: Originally Posted by Saevio View Post
I haven't understood anything anyone has said in this thread so far. That's common on these forums though.