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So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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KarathAnno
10.21.2015 , 09:52 AM | #71
Played since early access, canceled last night.

Simply put they took away to much and added to little. I hate the classic conversations with a burning passion. The story, eh if I care to keep up wit it I'll resub once or twice a year for a month and catch up. I simply not interested in running through the exact same story time and time again with all my alts.

Being able to choose your companions role is nice but I liked them better when they had one role and unique abilities instead of simple being a re-skin of the exact same abilities. I also enjoyed gearing my companions so moving to appearance only gear for them makes me unhappy.

End game gear is now a joke, I primarily tank and the only choice remaining the ratio of shield to absorb. Re-grinding one to four year old content to end up exactly like every other tank and then have it be irrelevant on most of the planets I visit anyways (because my stats will be readjusted to the planets cap no-matter what my gear is) holds no appeal to me.

Fortunately some of the game I loved is still exists in the 1-50 range and can be played for free so that is a win I guess. It's unfortunate that having the majority of my characters credits locked away in escrow accounts will make it effectively impossible to keep up with new decorations and strongholds, I got a lot of enjoyment out of those and bought many a hyper-crate because of it.

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mmmbuddah
10.21.2015 , 09:54 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Spyderwoman View Post
This. People don't like change, but eventually, you get used to it.
There is change for the good and change for the bad, the bad far outweigh the good in this expansion.

Good : Nice cutscenes

Bad : Companions reduced to shells
Player Characters reduced to emotionless voiceless husks
Cannot customize companions anymore
Removal of surge was a complete blunder, now it is one stat for two stats, makes no sense
EXTREMELY short story line
No new operations
No new Warzones
Required to pvp for pve stuff, beyond dumb.
Stuff people spent REAL life money on was taken away, never to be seen again.

The list goes on.

I have been a loyal fan of this game for 3 years now, and I loved the changes that 3.0 rolled in, but the changes in this are just too much, and it is not the game I fell in love with anymore. It has become a single player focused 2004 rpg with multiplayer elements for a whopping 120 Euro a year. There are plenty of other games out there that offer meaty well thought out expansions every 3 months that include all the player bases, RP, PVP, PVE, and story, that warrants 120 euro a year, not this. This doesn't even warrant 30 euro a year. I will probably let my subscription lapse for the first time in 3 years come November, and I doubt I will come back save to maybe play the rest of the expansions which I found out you can get through the EA Origin store, no sub required.
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Quraswren
10.21.2015 , 09:54 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by xxHellsmokexx View Post
Yeah well as far as "not taking away anything" goes they did take plenty away imo. Thrash and the lower moves that were replaced is taking away something. i know many replaced it with voltaic but for me it was a change in animation more than a vital move and kind of broke my will as well. I don't feel like runing around spamming voltaic all day, just seems to dull.

Not to mention they took all the planet comm vendors off the fleet and that stuff you can no longer get.

Then there is the old pvp gear and stuff I read about as well so that statement is so far from true lol. I too quit and am very disappointed because it feels like loads more has been taken away than added not to mention the pathetic sales tactic which was too obvious and disappointing. Oh well, it is what it is, I'll mess with it a bit as ftp and leave it at that if at all and move on to other places with my money.
You are correct.
There is a reason things about this expansion were not talked about. They new it would garner negativity with how things were removed and so much of the game is a new extended grind for influence/affection. That max affection you had? Well do it again because what else you going to do?
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Mikahrtwo
10.21.2015 , 09:54 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by robertthebard View Post
The actual problem is the age of text messaging, where people are too lazy to push three more buttons. This isn't an MMO, it's an MMORPG. Just because you want to try to separate the two parts to make some kind of point doesn't mean that it's a point worth making. Contrary to what you want to believe, your needs aren't the only ones that are important.

On a separate note, I find it ironic that people are complaining about the "grind" all the while lamenting no new ops...
Dont bother. You had same people whining about "no new group content" while at the same time whining about level sync and how "they wont be able to solo HM FPs and OPs any more"

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Mikahrtwo
10.21.2015 , 09:56 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
You are correct.
There is a reason things about this expansion were not talked about. They new it would garner negativity with how things were removed and so much of the game is a new extended grind for influence/affection. That max affection you had? Well do it again because what else you going to do?
Oh my, and what about gear grind in new OPs. hell, not even NEW ops, how about gear grind for NM and crap?

That you SO consistently QQ about.

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Raphael_diSanto
10.21.2015 , 09:57 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by mmmbuddah View Post
There is change for the good and change for the bad, the bad far outweigh the good in this expansion.

Good : Nice cutscenes

Bad : Companions reduced to shells
Player Characters reduced to emotionless voiceless husks
Cannot customize companions anymore
Removal of surge was a complete blunder, now it is one stat for two stats, makes no sense
EXTREMELY short story line
No new operations
No new Warzones
Required to pvp for pve stuff, beyond dumb.
Stuff people spent REAL life money on was taken away, never to be seen again.

The list goes on.

I have been a loyal fan of this game for 3 years now, and I loved the changes that 3.0 rolled in, but the changes in this are just too much, and it is not the game I fell in love with anymore. It has become a single player focused 2004 rpg with multiplayer elements for a whopping 120 Euro a year. There are plenty of other games out there that offer meaty well thought out expansions every 3 months that include all the player bases, RP, PVP, PVE, and story, that warrants 120 euro a year, not this. This doesn't even warrant 30 euro a year. I will probably let my subscription lapse for the first time in 3 years come November, and I doubt I will come back save to maybe play the rest of the expansions which I found out you can get through the EA Origin store, no sub required.
Oh, I think it's fairly subjective. You can't arbitrarily say such and such a thing is universally good or bad.

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JSitruc
10.21.2015 , 09:58 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by mmmbuddah View Post
I found out you can get through the EA Origin store, no sub required.
really? any idea on a price? i was planning on dropping my sub as well at the end of the month and then resubbing again to pick up the follow episodes 6 at a time. That may not be necessary if the price is right lol
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mmmbuddah
10.21.2015 , 10:02 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Raphael_diSanto View Post
Oh, I think it's fairly subjective. You can't arbitrarily say such and such a thing is universally good or bad.
When a ton of people agree on change being bad, it is bad. A turd is a turd no matter how you dress it up.
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mmmbuddah
10.21.2015 , 10:06 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by JSitruc View Post
really? any idea on a price? i was planning on dropping my sub as well at the end of the month and then resubbing again to pick up the follow episodes 6 at a time. That may not be necessary if the price is right lol
I will have to check after they release the release for the next chapters, it was the same for the first 9 chapters and early release, you could get it up until a point then it was taken off the store. Right now there is nothing there. Just check back every so often.
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Raphael_diSanto
10.21.2015 , 10:09 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by mmmbuddah View Post
When a ton of people agree on change being bad, it is bad. A turd is a turd no matter how you dress it up.
Ah, subjective forum metrics. Love them, really. You realize that that's confirmation bias, right?

Let's have a look at the list, shall we?

Companions reduced to shells - Personally, I prefer this. I would consider this a great change.

Player Characters reduced to emotionless voiceless husks - I do not like this, but we still have proper voices in story cutscenes, and it's an improvement over the Rishi/Yavin method of the NPC just talking at us in the world.

Cannot customize companions anymore - You mean mechanically? I also prefer this, I would consider this a good change, as above. Can still do the old facial customizations and aesthetic gear customizations, which are - for me - the important parts.

Removal of surge was a complete blunder, now it is one stat for two stats, makes no sense - Means I don't have to worry about as many stupid numbers and can get on with experiencing the story. I like this change.

EXTREMELY short story line - I do not like this, but I do understand the reasoning. The more complex and numerous the cut scenes, the longer they take to create. Dialogue takes more time and effort than combat, in a video game.

No new operations - I don't play operations, so I don't care about this. Others might call this a good thing, because it means no time or resources were spent developing this content.

No new Warzones - I don't PvP, so I don't care about this. As above, others might call it a good thing.

Required to pvp for pve stuff, beyond dumb. - Completely agree with you here, but others' opinions differ.

Stuff people spent REAL life money on was taken away, never to be seen again. - This is the only one I would agree is probably universally bad, because you should never take stuff away that real money was spent on. I'm not sure if any other player would disagree with this assessment, but I don't think so.

See? I agree with some, disagree with others, and can also accept that others may not share my opinions. Very little is completely, totally and universally bad. It just falls under the head of "Stuff I don't like, but others might."