Why Macros belong in TOR.

Let's talk exploits now.

Nevermind the PvP idiocies that will come out of enabling macros.


Now I have a level 10 character that I just mailed 2 million credits to.

So now I have him run in a circle with an elaborate macro to send out his pets to gather and do missions and craft different items. I just sit and wait a few days and now he is maxed in all his crew skills and level 10?

What is wrong with that? It is not hurting anyone?

Where does it end?


With all that WoW gave the MMO universe stuff, it also had some pretty awful things too. Like macros. As did SWG.

Just a page back we had to post the mere definition of a macro in order to convince you. But I'm sure you have edited it out of your posts by now, so I won't continue to argue the point.

Oh... was that an attack on me dude? Really?

Did I not say I have used macros and would rather not resort to using them? How is that a learn to play issue?

Sounds to me you have the learn to play issue wanting the macros.

Again, my motives are not selfish. I am currently at an advantage as things stand, the implementation of macro support within the game would remove that advantage, but positively influence the game overall.

@Th - Our opinions differ fundamentally, and that's okay. I'm not sure what purpose further argument will serve, other than constantly reiterating things that have already been said multiple times. Also, I don't get why you continue to persist in saying I ever claimed that macros were not inherently automated. You posted the definition by your own volition in order to make some ill-defined point, it was hardly new information to me.

@Night - I think you're still a bit confused as to what exactly this thread is in support of and what we're advocating for.

I've been "attacked" multiple times much more overtly, didn't bother me. You haven't addressed my arguments for wanting the particular macros I am advocating for in the game yet, which leads me to believe there's a lack of clarity.

So because you get pushed around in the playground, it is ok to do it to others? Nice.

No, I was merely stating fact, and perhaps implying that you should be a bit less sensitive when it comes to implied disparagement on an online video-game forum, is all.

In regards to my personal PvP performance - prior to the introduction of full macro support in WoW, I dealt with the combat as it stood. As SWTOR PvP stands now, I am playing near optimally as the systems in game allow me to - does that mean I don't think the game would benefit from the introduction of focus and mouseover macros? No, nor should it.

Again, the type of automation you are using in your examples and arguments is not what I am advocating for, nor do I support it.

A great deal of contention could be avoided if people would just read what's been posted prior to posting themselves.

LOL, the complexity of macros?

Macros make the game EASIER to play. What's wrong, trooper? You having problems managing your keybinds?

Nutshell everything in it, it is.

I'd be okay with a very limited and restrictive macro system that avoids conditionals.

My concern is the "slippery slope" argument. I DO NOT want to see UI modifications that play the game for you, as there are in WoW.

Again, you and I have an entirely different concept of what a macro is, particularly in the context of this thread. I have absolutely no difficulties excelling in SWTOR PvP, but my overall enjoyment is decreased by the absence of official support for certain features that I feel are vital, and that add complexity to the game in relatively indirect ways.

Not that this is relevant to the argument I'm trying to make, but you seem unable to move past the "automated" nature of macros and consider some of the deeper implications.

@Ragg - thanks for making an effort to understand what I'm actually advocating here. I'd fully support a limited implementation, I also would not like to see things devolve into a situation similar to Rift, as I feel that would negatively impact the game as a whole.

Bottom line here, my concern is for the state of the game and the enjoyment to be derived out of it, my motives are not selfish as I've pointed out, just want what I feel is best for the continued development and success of the game.