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Transcendent
09.25.2015 , 03:24 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
I think Phasewalk will be used to get away from melees, and it will be the perfect skill to do so, coupled with this utility.
Not so sure, especially with bubble stun. It's more of a repositioning with ease type of thing. I don't however begrudge Sage / Sorc getting this ability.

However...

Quote: Originally Posted by Glower View Post
btw about speed wars...

More speed buffs. The Speed force (c) Flash!
Sins and Shadows getting those speed buffs made available is just frackin stupid on top of all of the other mobility they have. Can see 4.0 will be more of the same **** 3.0 has been.

So glad I'm not really going to play this game much 4.0 onwards, least I don't have to fund the combat team with my subscription to make stupid changes.
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09.25.2015 , 03:25 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by lavatsunami View Post
The obvious difference also being that for most of those rotations, crits are not guaranteed, but are with lightning.
Wrog, only TB is a auto crit and indeed, its do not hits hard, force potency can miss, and does it very often
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lavatsunami
09.25.2015 , 03:28 PM | #43
Not wrong, you just assumed I was talking about every hit. I know that thundering blast is the only guaranteed crit.

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09.25.2015 , 03:30 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by lavatsunami View Post
Not wrong, you just assumed I was talking about every hit. I know that thundering blast is the only guaranteed crit.
oh well sorry then
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09.25.2015 , 03:32 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinre_the_Jedi View Post
Ok, I'll bite. In your first 3 GCDs:

Affliction, TB, Chain lightning = 21k damage or so
Discharge, Ball lightning, maul = 24-28k damage.

Compared to...

Tracer Missle, heatseekers, rail shot =34-37k damage easy
Energy burst, thermal det, rail shot = 32-34k damage
Ambush(RIP), follow through, takedown = 33-35k damage
Volatile, backstab, Lacerate = 31k damage
Raging burst, Furious strike, viscous throw = 34k damage

Yea. Sins and sorcs have lowest burst atm, it's a fact.
Just wanna point out sorcs and sins have the best control on auto crits for opening burst is prob why thier burst isn't maxed isn't so high as others. At the same time ppl could argue MM and AP have insane raw burst (no crits) and to much control on how they crit as well with MM's laze target and AP's explosive fuel. Even so Sorcs and Sins recklessness does fail and its pretty sad when it does but when it hit's it's brutal especially since almost all of it will crit.

O and for lighting sorcs I would include more than 3 moves because lighting flash is done before chain lighting.

Lastly is this suppose to take into account certain personal buffs up, because no merc is going to be hitting in the 34-37k area without a fully buffed railshot.
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09.25.2015 , 07:14 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Lalainnia View Post
Just wanna point out sorcs and sins have the best control on auto crits for opening burst is prob why thier burst isn't maxed isn't so high as others. At the same time ppl could argue MM and AP have insane raw burst (no crits) and to much control on how they crit as well with MM's laze target and AP's explosive fuel. Even so Sorcs and Sins recklessness does fail and its pretty sad when it does but when it hit's it's brutal especially since almost all of it will crit.

O and for lighting sorcs I would include more than 3 moves because lighting flash is done before chain lighting.

Lastly is this suppose to take into account certain personal buffs up, because no merc is going to be hitting in the 34-37k area without a fully buffed railshot.
In pvp is better chain first so if u need to kite u have the useless 0.5 sec root, which is better than nothing i guess
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09.25.2015 , 07:39 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Giliodor View Post
This is tier 2, not tier 3. Corrupted Barrier isn't all that useful. You'll just take this new utility + the Innervate on the move utility.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinre_the_Jedi View Post
Wow..

Edit: Question. If you took 6 sec immunity in place of h2f bubble, wouldn't it be more valuable since you could use Unnatural Preservation + Dark heal spam and gain 50% MS on top of not being able to be lept to or interrupted? And you can teleport to Africa for great repositioning as well without being lept to?
Do either of you have Sorcs/Sages? Corrupted Barrier heals you for 940+ a second while in your normal bubble, too, and scales off of HP. Played correctly you almost never have to actually cast Benevolence/Dark Heal on yourself in a Warzone as a DPS. Not too mention if you sit your full barrier you can go into it with 1HP and your healer can outright ignore you. Played correctly in combination with Phase Walk it will be almost impossible to kill a Sorc/Sage DPS with a healer.

Krea I know you have a Shadow/Sin, how often do you get leapt to/pulled immediately after Phase Walking? 0/100 times? It'll be no different for Sorcs. That utility is pointless.

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09.25.2015 , 08:32 PM | #48
I dunno why some ppl think Corrupted Barrier is useless to healers? While healed up in shield, you don't have to worry about yourself in the first place and heal up your mates meanwhile. Some utilities have their advantages though, just my 2 cents
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09.25.2015 , 08:47 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by lavatsunami View Post
Are you assuming all crits for everything?

These numbers are way high. You can't basically kill someone (37k is about 3-5k away from max health) with a tracer missile a heatseeker and a rail shot.
I don't have a merc or sniper etc... but to give some comparison of basic openers (granted yes players will pop CD's but this is just to give basic ideas of typical burst openers you'll see that deception sin typically has the lowest "big" hits and total burst. Is it terrible? No and I think that's what you're confusing. Deception sin can still hurt like hell especially given their decent control but they are far from high end burst and AP PT's and concealment OPs are still the kings of burst right now. Sin sits at the bottom next to lightning sorcs.

AP PT
7.21% 1 Thermal Detonator Kinetic 5059
11.34% 1 Magnetic Blast Energy 7956
17.58% 1 Energy Burst Energy 12338
19.54% 1 Rail Shot Energy 13709
23.58% 7 Shoulder Cannon Kinetic 16548

Not counting shoulder cannon 39,062 + shoulder cannon 55,610. Even if we were to only look at the 3 big hits krea mentioned its still almost 32k and my thermal hit kind of low on that one. I've seen thermal hit as hard as 8k.

Concentration Sentinel
16.3% 4 Force Exhaustion Kinetic 7952
20.2% 1 Focused Burst Kinetic 13856
22.47% 2 Concentrated Slice Energy 10961
18.77% 6 Master Strike Energy 9157
6.92% 1 Blade Storm Kinetic 6375

47,301 Assuming just for the 3 krea mentioned and taking account an average crit of dispatch is 7-9k which I couldn't do for these numbers you're looking at close to 32k

Deception sin
8.55% 1 Spike Energy 3054
15.44% 2 Voltaic Slash Energy 5511
20.81% 1 Ball Lightning Energy 7429 + 3714 proc
24.77% 1 Maul Energy 8843
26.45% 1 Discharge Internal 9444

37,995. Only looking at the 3 main burst abilities? 29,430

Is it terrible? No, not at all. Is it where it should be? imo no. Its a burst class and its main burst abilities rarely break 10k and one relies on a 50% proc. Their burst isn't horrible, but it kind of pales in comparison to the other burst classes big hits. I think the reason people think deception is more bursty than they are is due to the decent control deception has plus its CC immunities. But then you look at PT's two hard stuns and scratch your head. So maybe its the stealth that people have issue with I dunno. End of the day its burst is still one of the lowest next to all the other burst specs except lightning sorcs.

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09.26.2015 , 01:10 AM | #50
I don't like Corrupted Barrier because it heals me while
1) A small bubble is active. This bubble will be gone in a small amount of time.
2) Barrier is active, and that has a rather high cd. I don't like taking utilities that only affect skills with high cds.

I'd much rather take 30% damage reduction while stunned, because stuns are the real hazards as a sorc healer.
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