4.0 = Resetting toons to lvl 55 and 162 gear, fresh grind, same content...

No, actually that isn't true, and it wasn't true for 2.0 or 3.0 either...

The old operations weren't raised in the past, so when 2.0 dropped, you could still go play EC/EV/KP in HM or NiM and they were the same.

When 3.0 dropped, TFB/S&V/DF/DP/TC all stayed at lvl 55, so nothing changed, you could still go do those.

In 4.0, those options are going away, now you have to toss out all your gear and start over. If you have a toon today, right now that can run rav in HM, it won't be able to do that in 4 weeks. That was not the case before, ever, in SWTOR.

That is the biggest problem with changing the old content, it removes it as an option for some people.

^ This right here is the issue, that so many people want to keep glossing over and ignoring...

Today, right now, I have multiple toons in 192 set bonus gear ready for HM Rav and HM ToS. When 4.0 drops, that will no longer be the case. If I want to run HM Rav and HM ToS, I have to throw out all that gear and rerun SM Rav and SM ToS over and over and over to gear up again.

But I did that already, thus the title of the thread, that it is just a reset to current content, nothing more. Making me toss out my existing end game gear and regrind for new gear doing the exact same content as before, is nothing more than taking away my current gear and putting me back into 162 gear would be.

The effect is the same, I'd have to go rerun the SM ops all over again, multiple times, to get back to where I am right now, today.

If the existing content were staying at lvl 60 and we had new group content coming for lvl 65, then this wouldn't be an issue. It wasn't an issue at 2.0, it wasn't an issue at 3.0.

It is an issue with 4.0. I can do HM ops today, I can't in 4 weeks. When 3.0 dropped, I could still do HM ops, the existing ones (TFB/S&V/DF/DP/TC) didn't go away.

Now they will.

When they raised the level cap we all had to toss out our gear to find new gear to meet the OPS requirement to be able to defeat the bosses. It happens now, it happened with the previous expansions.

It will happen again if they release another new expansion with a level raise.

I am happy with it, it is simply how it works. Now we even get to have fun with the old OPS, since they make them challenging again.

I was under the impression that all Operations would be set to 65, so while yes...you will have to run SM versions again to re-gear, it doesn't have to be Rav or ToS, right? While I, too, have several toons geared for HM ToS and Rav and am disappointed that I have to toss out all that gear and start over....(which happens whenever an expansion comes out) I'm happy that operations no one really wanted to run much (except to faceroll content or for deco in my experience) will have more of a reason to run them again and will at least shake things up a bit so it's not the same two Ops over and over and over again. I just wish they were still available at 50/55/60 and 65 instead of all going to 65...but still. I'm content with variety and am looking forward to seeing some of the Ops I haven't run in years all over again with a better reason (at least for me) to run them. =D

funny because in your signature you already plan on unsubbing and playing other games and you havent even tried KOTFE, so your opinion holds no weight to me, your just another doom and gloom poster trying to make yourself feel better about leaving and hoping others join you.. See ya bud, enjoy WoW legion.

When 146 gear was added, we got EC.
When 150 gear was added, we got TfB
When 2.0 added a new level cap and 168/172 gear, we got SnV
When 180/186 gear was added, we got DF/DP
When 3.0 added a new level cap and 192/198 gear, we got Rav/ToS

We've added 8 complete tiers of endgame gear grind since launch. And every single new grind was accompanied by new content. Until now.

You keep saying things like "it is simply how it works". Can you truly not grok how this time it is different? A gear grind that is not accompanied new content.

that would be different if they where keeping all the old operations and fp at the same difficulty, but they are totally remastering the old operations so that you can play them with the appropriate challenge now, and get gear that you can actually use, instead of the same ol faceroll everyone operation and roll on gear that you will never use.. this needed to be done BEFORE any new operations come around.

Don't misunderstand my point. I understand WHY there are no new operations with 4.0. All resources went into the KotFE story.

I'm just trying to bridge Icestar's refusal to understand the position being made in this thread.

The fact of the matter is, Heat makes an excellent point -- why do a level bump? Why not scale everything up to 60 instead?

While I am also against not getting new Operation content in this expansion and will continue to play ToR. I remember when 2.0 came out, they rescaled TFB which originally was a level 50 Op to 55, and added SnV. so while 2.0 did add an Operation it was only one. Some here seem to have forgotten TFB was a level 50 Op originally.

Probably because they want you to level up while doing the KOTFE storyline? They want you to get something out of it ?