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webhero
09.14.2015 , 02:29 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
community, you do realize its is 1 month left til the expansion right...
Thanks for reminding both of them. I was scared they'd both forget.

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Thoronmir
09.14.2015 , 02:32 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
how you gain influence and such on companions in KotFE (note i didnt' say in 4.0, i.e the 60-65 story) will probably be more conversation/action based and less on arbitrary gifts (decisions matter) what happens in KotFE stays in KotFE and outside of the story you're class will still work primarily like it does now (same companions).
Yeah, I've got a decent handle on life post-4.0/pre-KOTFE. My concern is whether gifts will affect our Influence with the Companions we acquire or (reacquire) in KOTFE. Should I be farming gifts for Lana? Will she like them? Will she mock me for making the effort? Will I spend the rest of the night eating a gallon of Alderaanian Crunch ice cream listening to Treek tell me why Lana doesn't deserve me?

I did catch the Affection = Influence announcement. My reference to the soon-archaic terminology was just me being an old dog lifting his leg on a new trick.
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Exly
09.14.2015 , 02:33 PM | #63
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what exactly are you going to prep for? are you suddenly going to amass large quantities of certain mats?
I won't know the answer to that until I receive the information that I am waiting for. But if I do decided to build up my stock of certain mats, then I would prefer to have more time to decide if doing so make sense to me, and to come up with a number in my head of how many I might want to accumulate.

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.... I just personally think that some people THINK they need this information to properly handle the transition. your time budget is spent on current content, its value lies in what you get out of it now.
You are of course free to THINK what you want, but like I said before I prefer (not need) to have more information so that I can decide how to use my time.

For instance, if current mats will be useful in the coming expansion then I might choose to spend more time doing dailies so that I can collect mats. At the same time, I because I enjoy PvP, I would also like accumulate warzone comms so that I have what I need in order properly contribute to matches when I do level up to 65. So I am left with wanting to know what changes are happening so that I can set goals and budget my time in order to achieve those goals.

Now this concept of planning and then acting on those plans may be foreign to you, or maybe you just don't have the same desire to put that much thought into what you do, and that's ok. But I ask again that you do not trivialize my desire to do so.

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..... i still dont' understand what you would need to "budget" your time for?
That's ok, you don't have to.

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.... I suspect as they get closer to launch they WILL give us some additional information as to not drastically upset the current economy.
I don't typically sell items on the GTN and almost never by off of it.

What I do is craft items that are useful to me and my guild mates, and to that end I would like to be prepared for the changes so that as we do advance our characters to level 65 we are able to enter flashpoints and operations with gear that is appropriate to the content that we choose to do.

That means that I will be doing a lot of crafting in order to gear my toons and to help others in gearing theirs.

If you don't understand why someone like me would want to do that then so be it. Just know that those are my plans, and I would appreciate knowing more about what changes are being made so that I can prepare for them as much as I am able to.

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DOHboy
09.14.2015 , 02:58 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Exly View Post
I won't know the answer to that until I receive the information that I am waiting for. But if I do decided to build up my stock of certain mats, then I would prefer to have more time to decide if doing so make sense to me, and to come up with a number in my head of how many I might want to accumulate.
if a mat is removed, expect it to be replaced with a current available mat and have the schematic cost change to reflect this, as an example there will only be one type of level 5 artifact not two, remove the unnecessary ones that give little value, same with metals and compounds. and in general missions will return only one type of the items, not both, so schematic cost will be adjusted


You are of course free to THINK what you want, but like I said before I prefer (not need) to have more information so that I can decide how to use my time.

For instance, if current mats will be useful in the coming expansion then I might choose to spend more time doing dailies so that I can collect mats. At the same time, I because I enjoy PvP, I would also like accumulate warzone comms so that I have what I need in order properly contribute to matches when I do level up to 65. So I am left with wanting to know what changes are happening so that I can set goals and budget my time in order to achieve those goals. mats will have the same use they have now, the less than 60 content is not changing. new mats will be available for the new tier of crafting, all crafting nodes will return level appropriate mats rather than specific ones to make gathering mats easier as you level.

Now this concept of planning and then acting on those plans may be foreign to you, or maybe you just don't have the same desire to put that much thought into what you do, and that's ok. But I ask again that you do not trivialize my desire to do so.



That's ok, you don't have to.



I don't typically sell items on the GTN and almost never by off of it.

What I do is craft items that are useful to me and my guild mates, and to that end I would like to be prepared for the changes so that as we do advance our characters to level 65 we are able to enter flashpoints and operations with gear that is appropriate to the content that we choose to do. see above as the crafting items will not change its not liek they are removing crafting outright, just changing what is required to do the crafting. anything at the higher levels will be new mats and new schematics, the current system is just removing redundant types of mats to make it easier to collect and craft.

That means that I will be doing a lot of crafting in order to gear my toons and to help others in gearing theirs. none of that is changing, just making it easier to collect and make things by removing unnecessary mats at certain levels

If you don't understand why someone like me would want to do that then so be it. Just know that those are my plans, and I would appreciate knowing more about what changes are being made so that I can prepare for them as much as I am able to.
answers above, just think you might be over thinking or over reacting to any potential changes. I don't think they will be as drastic as you think they will be.
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MillionsKNives
09.14.2015 , 03:05 PM | #65
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new mats will be available for the new tier of crafting
You certain about that? Certain information seems to point to the opposite. And if that's true then that means that instead of not bothering with gathering the current materials (which I had stopped bothering with when they initially announced the expansion) then I should actually be actively gathering the mats still since they'll still be useful.

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all crafting nodes will return level appropriate mats rather than specific ones to make gathering mats easier as you level.
This causes potential issues with gathering lower level mats. I'm very interested in how they plan to deal with that. And if their implementation makes gathering low level mats difficult then I should be gathering those now too while I still can easily.

And stuff like this is the point. We don't know what's changing. They haven't really said any of what's happening with it.

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Danery
09.14.2015 , 03:18 PM | #66
I missed the part where DOHboy became a Developer and could tell us exactly what will happen with mats as we have them now and that we are getting a new tier of gear, especially when all of the existing (unofficial) information contradicts everything hes said, which is why we need someone official to explain it instead of someone who doesn't know
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DOHboy
09.14.2015 , 03:26 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
You certain about that? Certain information seems to point to the opposite. And if that's true then that means that instead of not bothering with gathering the current materials (which I had stopped bothering with when they initially announced the expansion) then I should actually be actively gathering the mats still since they'll still be useful.



This causes potential issues with gathering lower level mats. I'm very interested in how they plan to deal with that. And if their implementation makes gathering low level mats difficult then I should be gathering those now too while I still can easily.

And stuff like this is the point. We don't know what's changing. They haven't really said any of what's happening with it.
I don't get into "other information" I just look at what they've done in the past and assume much of the same. every expansion has gone to a +50 levels of crafting with at least 1 or 2 tiers of missions to get you from current level to max level. I believe the way I read what was presented is that instead of having a node for crystals and a node for artifact, a node for metals, and a node for compounds you have a single node that will return level appropriate (whether thats crafting level or planet level I don't know) of that type. For example it will be an "archeology node" or a "scavenging node" not necessarily "durasteel". Is that speculation sure, I think it would fit with some of the changes as how they are streamlining it (remove unnecessary mats and replace with a single mat at level).

I don't dismiss the wanting of more information, I just don't think its as big of an issue as it some are making it out to be. Unless you are going to pre-craft items for every alt from now until end of game, you'll adapt and deal with it as we all will. Outside of a single level of gear for a single alt, trying to gather mats is going to be next to impossible to craft for any length of time. Thus you'll either have to adapt, or change your tactics on how you gather mats for crafting low level items, as we all will.

I have a feeling they are trying to not make a huge boom too soon and impact the current game too much. I dont' think they want people stockpiling certain mats right now or wanting to ruin economy for those that do sell mats by making it obvious something is going away and potentially ruining the value. Additionally if the prices do crash before they make the changes to conquest mats will be super cheap and make it much easier for conquest crafters, something else that isn't a good thing in the current game.
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Cuiwe
09.14.2015 , 03:34 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
These are good questions! We are working on a blog which will talk about what streamlined leveling means for Fallen Empire. My hope is to get it out sometime next week and we can talk through any unanswered questions then. Thanks everyone.

-eric
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MillionsKNives
09.14.2015 , 03:36 PM | #69
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I don't dismiss the wanting of more information, I just don't think its as big of an issue as it some are making it out to be.
That information has a material difference on how I'm spending my time. Either I'm wasting time gathering mats that will be useless at the new level, or I'm wasting opportunities to loot materials that will still be important. Similarly for old mats too, I'm either wasting time stocking up on old mats that will be just as easy/easier to acquire come the expansion, or I'm wasting an opportunity to get those mats now before they get harder to get.

It's the same reason that people will not bother buying SoR, because it's about to become free in a month. It's the same reason why people stop augmenting their gear because it's about to become outdated in a month. It's the same reason why people stop spending comms because they'll be able to purchase better gear with it in a month. The information is important and it affects what we do now in order to better prepare for what's happening. Getting the most out of their time and money is important to (some) people.

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DOHboy
09.14.2015 , 03:49 PM | #70
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That information has a material difference on how I'm spending my time. Either I'm wasting time gathering mats that will be useless at the new level, or I'm wasting opportunities to loot materials that will still be important. Similarly for old mats too, I'm either wasting time stocking up on old mats that will be just as easy/easier to acquire come the expansion, or I'm wasting an opportunity to get those mats now before they get harder to get.

It's the same reason that people will not bother buying SoR, because it's about to become free in a month. It's the same reason why people stop augmenting their gear because it's about to become outdated in a month. It's the same reason why people stop spending comms because they'll be able to purchase better gear with it in a month. The information is important and it affects what we do now in order to better prepare for what's happening. Getting the most out of their time and money is important to (some) people.
how much time do you really need? was it a waste of time last week? last month? next week? two weeks from now?

should they have told us everything so we can plan from day one of the expansion announcement? how much should they have told us and when?

point of the original argument was needing to plan for something potentially happening in a month and they haven't currently told us (much).

so how much and when? I don't think all that information is necessary this far in advance all it will do (as I have said previously) is open the doors for them to get blasted for any changes and upset the apple cart.

if what you say is true, current mats will have value, if what I say is true, current mats will have value as they will get replaced (not simply deleted). If you're wrong mats will just have less value. if i'm wrong everyone will be in the same boat anyway and have things will be problematic for a week or two at most.

I would guess we'll find out more eventually, just not at this time, let them get through the class blogs and you'll probably get more information on other areas.
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