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Is jedi consular's story that bad?

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Is jedi consular's story that bad?

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Diviciacus
09.08.2015 , 09:50 PM | #11
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First chapter it only makes sense to go light side, why it gets the flack it does. Though going full dark doesn't usually make sense either, but most choices storyline in chapter 1 only make sense to go LS.

I love the story.
It's far more that it has a really huge ramp-up time before it gets "interesting" for the kinds of people that play video games for the murder, rather than good storytelling.
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09.08.2015 , 09:53 PM | #12
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It's far more that it has a really huge ramp-up time before it gets "interesting" for the kinds of people that play video games for the murder, rather than good storytelling.
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Raltar
09.08.2015 , 10:02 PM | #13
One of my favorites. Second favorite Republic side, third overall.

EDIT:
Though, one of the companions is super boring. Probably the most bland companion out of every companion.

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Eleonora
09.08.2015 , 10:02 PM | #14
It's not badly written (mostly, there are some major plotholes later on).. it's just a snoozefest.

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Lunafox
09.08.2015 , 10:29 PM | #15
I LOATHE the Jedi consular. I've suffered through playing a male and female, and I have to say the story is bland bland bland bland bland or dull dull dull dull dull ( like how Zash feels a Sith party without Darth Nox is) It might have seemed cool on paper/in theory, but to play that out...urgh. The characters aren't interesting or compelling either. The male and female VAs both, are about as much fun as used up sandpaper. They're monotone, dry, no life to them at all. They get barely any flirts...the ones that they do get, suck. Honestly, I'm holding a grudge about the whole Cedrax/Holiday thing. He was barely tolerable, but the only male I could see being with my Consular female, if she couldn't have Zenith (who was the only saving grace for me). And that holoho ruined it, with her idiotic Barbie body and speech pattern. What lovelorn goon dreamed her up? I would have blown up the Jedi Consular's ship at the next port if it meant being rid of Cedrax and his holoho.

Male side...not much better. My guy feels a bit like a p.edo romancing Nadia, what is she, like 15? But still more tolerable than that sawdust sockpuppet Felix Iresso. You can throw all the handsome mods in the world at him, but you can't change the fact, that watching paint dry on tattoine is much more interesting.

All of the companions suck (except Zenith). Qyzen is neat to look at but after a few hours of that growl speech, I really want to slap someone with the business end of a pitchfork. And Master Yuon Parr...snore.

Yoda as my witness, I will never play Jedi Consular ever again. I have the 2 toons, male/female dark/light for story purposes and that's it. Never again.

And yeah, that's what I really think. Sorry to those who love it, different strokes and all that, I get it.
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09.08.2015 , 10:40 PM | #16
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It's far more that it has a really huge ramp-up time before it gets "interesting" for the kinds of people that play video games for the murder, rather than good storytelling.
*grin* Don't read my post Divi. Just don't. You'll think less of me lol.
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09.08.2015 , 10:59 PM | #17
It's not a bad story at all.

The people who hate it are probably sith wannabes and think they should carve up everything with a lightsaber.

The story is very Jedi like, diplomacy and bringing people together and saving others.

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Mowermanx
09.08.2015 , 11:09 PM | #18
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I LOATHE the Jedi consular. I've suffered through playing a male and female, and I have to say the story is bland bland bland bland bland or dull dull dull dull dull ( like how Zash feels a Sith party without Darth Nox is) It might have seemed cool on paper/in theory, but to play that out...urgh. The characters aren't interesting or compelling either. The male and female VAs both, are about as much fun as used up sandpaper. They're monotone, dry, no life to them at all. They get barely any flirts...the ones that they do get, suck. Honestly, I'm holding a grudge about the whole Cedrax/Holiday thing. He was barely tolerable, but the only male I could see being with my Consular female, if she couldn't have Zenith (who was the only saving grace for me). And that holoho ruined it, with her idiotic Barbie body and speech pattern. What lovelorn goon dreamed her up? I would have blown up the Jedi Consular's ship at the next port if it meant being rid of Cedrax and his holoho.

Male side...not much better. My guy feels a bit like a p.edo romancing Nadia, what is she, like 15? But still more tolerable than that sawdust sockpuppet Felix Iresso. You can throw all the handsome mods in the world at him, but you can't change the fact, that watching paint dry on tattoine is much more interesting.

All of the companions suck (except Zenith). Qyzen is neat to look at but after a few hours of that growl speech, I really want to slap someone with the business end of a pitchfork. And Master Yuon Parr...snore.

Yoda as my witness, I will never play Jedi Consular ever again. I have the 2 toons, male/female dark/light for story purposes and that's it. Never again.

And yeah, that's what I really think. Sorry to those who love it, different strokes and all that, I get it.
I was going to make a post about how I disliked it, but after reading Luna's post, I'll just agree with it as it very closely sums up my opinion on it.
The only thing I would add, which was touched upon in an earlier post by SithKoriandr, is that you cant help but feel that the dark side options were tacked on after the complete story was written, its just one major plot hole after the other and massive contradictions, so glaring, that's its impossible to come up with any other conclusion than it was tacked on after with very little thought.

And then there's this.
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Daewan
09.08.2015 , 11:50 PM | #19
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I really want to play a jedi stealth class again, I've played all 4 classes on the empire side and would like to give it a go, I mean, being part of the jedi council seems pretty cool. What are your thoughts? I play classes because they're fun, but also have a good story. Thanks!
I love the Consular story. It is full of information. It's not fast paced and the issues are very grand - you're not a hero of the galaxy, you're an ambassador. Who ends up being a hero. But that's not why you are there. It's a very BioWare story, with a lot of nuance.

Someone said only LS makes sense; that isn't completely true. Dark Side but not insane actually works well with the Consular story. You learn different tidbits than you would if you were plain LS all the time. You can save people and complain about it, you can be disobedient. It makes sense and the voice acting is good. There are even a few people that it makes sense not to save, and the responses reflect that. Play it the way you want to play it, but don't feel like you have to be one side or the other.

Disclaimer: I have many, many Consulars.

The thing I hate most about playing a Consular is that since the most expected option is Sage, they scaled the class story for a person with slow DPS learning to handle resource management. Translation: It's boring as hell and there is nothing my DPS Sage can do to make it challenging. I know it works for new players but I wish there was an option to increase the difficulty. However I love finding new things in the story so I put up with it.

Also, Shadow Tanks are amazingly fun. Shadow DPS is also a lot of fun. DPS Sage can end up as a beast of damage, which is a whole lot of fun. I am terrible at healing, but I know that Sage Healers are great to run around with.
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Salmonleap
09.09.2015 , 12:00 AM | #20
Yeah, if you have to ask, the Consular's story will probably seem "that bad." FWIW I liked the Consular story well enough, I have several Consulars and enjoy the mechanics of the two advanced classes, but to me it's a toss-up between the Consular and the Trooper as to which story is more repetitious, pedestrian, and predictable.

Story
Plot-holes and contradictions abound with the Consular. But BioWare took on a practicably impossible problem with the Consular: How does one make organization, diplomacy, and tossing rocks as "epic" as the force-leaping acrobatics of the Warrior and Knight or the Force-Sorcery ( and lightning!) of the Inquisitor? The typically BioWare three possible answers still herd you into a single rigid storyline is simply too limited to what should have been a more cerebral story. Every time the Consular story starts to get mystical, one has to ditch the mysteries of the Force for Politics and Diplomacy.

Companions
Qyzen is the focus of most people's complaints when it comes to Consular companions, but every class except the Agent has a non-basic speaking companion every one of which is cited as "bad" somewhere here in the forums, so is that really a valid point of contention? If you bother to read Qyzen's story, it's one of the more interesting companion questlines in the game. Certainly it's more interesting than Senor Pussycat's continual kvetching to the Trooper and way less annoying than Malvioso Quinn's story where you can't DO the one thing that would give that story a satisfying conclusion. As for the rest, Iresso and Zeneth aren't bad at all. Both have interesting, if way too simple storylines. Nadia is impossibly sweet and could have been written to have more potential for darkness. And Tharan? I prefer his mincing hologram to the man himself. Tharan is gratingly twee. I'd take him over Quinn, but he's probably my second least favorite companion in the entire game. Heck Doc, Corso, and Kaliyo are all way less annoying than Tharan.

Offhand I'd say the Trooper story is still weaker, but the Consular is story is criticized with good reason.

Summary
I usually play Republic so I hate to say it, but if you want a good story, go Imperial.
Warrior's story is better than the Knight's even though the Knight has some of the most epic moments in the game
Inquisitor's story is way better than the Consular's and you shoot lightning!
Bounty Hunter's story is better than the Trooper's even though you're not given a choice not to join a certain organization
Agent's Story is the best story in the game and therefore obviously better than the Smuggler's even though the Sumggler has one of the best Republic stories and several of the best one-liners for any character.

In Order of Best to Worst Story (IMO):
Agent
Inquisitor
Warrior
Bounty Hunter
Knight
Smuggler
Consular
Trooper

Coda
I usually play grey at least on my first playthrough for a class. If you insist on going LS/DS instead of just doing what you think that character would do in a given situation, then I recommend going LS for the Empire and DS for the Republic. It's more fun to have everyone flummoxed by your actions.
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