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EV and KP Nightmare Removal in Fallen Empire

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EV and KP Nightmare Removal in Fallen Empire
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EricMusco
09.08.2015 , 10:24 AM | #1 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Hey folks,

Around launch when we implemented the Nightmare versions of Eternity Vault and Karagga’s Palace, they were not quite the same as the Nightmare modes you are used to now. Basically, those old Nightmare ops were simply the same Operations with more health, that did more damage.

With the changes we are making in Fallen Empire, all Operations will now be at max level, this means the differences between Hard and Nightmare EV and KP, just don’t stack up against the difficulty differences found in other Operations. Because of this, we are going to be removing Nightmare Mode Eternity Vault and Karagga’s Palace from the game with the launch of Fallen Empire. This will raise a couple of questions about things like Titles and Achievements so here are a few details of the change:
  • Any unique drops that were found in these Nightmare Modes will now drop in Hard Mode.
  • The timed run Titles for Nightmare Mode can no longer be earned in Fallen Empire.
  • Any Achievements which you have earned for these Nightmare Modes will be moved to a new Archived section under Operations, and can no longer be earned.
If you would like to get the timed run titles or NM achievements, now is your chance! Get in there before Fallen Empire launches. Thanks everyone.

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09.08.2015 , 10:37 AM | #2
Aww. I know a lot of people who were looking forward to seeing how EV NIM were gonna scale up in the new level increase

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Liquor
09.08.2015 , 10:39 AM | #3
No one ran them due too bugs. Rewards sucked compared to other NiM ops

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Reno_Tarshil
09.08.2015 , 10:40 AM | #4
Well if the loot from NiM is being moved to HM then shrug about the timed run.
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09.08.2015 , 10:45 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
Well if the loot from NiM is being moved to HM then shrug about the timed run.
well since it is quite easy to 6 man the 16man Nim and STILL beat the timer its not overly hard. If not for the puzzle probably could be done with 4.

I do remember when Ev used to be hard was a fun time.
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09.08.2015 , 10:51 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by DOHboy View Post
well since it is quite easy to 6 man the 16man Nim and STILL beat the timer its not overly hard. If not for the puzzle probably could be done with 4.

I do remember when Ev used to be hard was a fun time.
I already have both timed runs so it doesn't matter much to me, but the loot drops that people might want more still being available is a decent trade off that also appeases the exclusive hard on crowds or w/e. I'm curious to see what they do to EC tho...
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09.08.2015 , 10:51 AM | #7
To be honest I don't even know the mechanical differences between the two. Also, I think this is also to make people do the harder NiM for gear instead of these 2.
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09.08.2015 , 10:52 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
I already have both timed runs so it doesn't matter much to me, but the loot drops that people might want more still being available is a decent trade off that also appeases the exclusive hard on crowds or w/e. I'm curious to see what they do to EC tho...
Whatever they do they need Classic interrupts for Droids in Kephess NiM.
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09.08.2015 , 10:54 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
  • Any unique drops that were found in these Nightmare Modes will now drop in Hard Mode.
  • The timed run Titles for Nightmare Mode can no longer be earned in Fallen Empire.
Is there a chance you could move the titles to HM too? Neither operation has a HM title reward, and it seems like such a waste to just throw the titles away and make them unavailable for future characters.

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FireFoxed
09.08.2015 , 10:54 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
  • Any unique drops that were found in these Nightmare Modes will now drop in Hard Mode.
What about drop rates? Most of the drops are already shared between HM and Nim for these 2 ops (Statue of Karagga is the only exception I think) but Nim has better drop rates (like the guaranteed Desler in Nim vs chance in HM). Will the vanity items be harder to obtain?