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Xanas
08.14.2015 , 03:32 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Magira View Post
You are a beautiful example of the defect in the matrix at elitists. Completely unable to have fun, only on criticizing others and themselves as holding something better. Please stay away from the fields for normal players. Thank you!
Have fun? You mean have fun at the expanse of people who are doing everything they can TO WIN? You mean saying a big FU to people, like me, who enters a WZ and tries there beast to win the game as people are "having fun" ignoring objectives and giving me a loss because I can't carry them all?

The way I see it you are a fine example of people who enter a game to have "fun" at the expense of the rest of the team who are doing what they can to win. Hey, if you are insulting me the moment you hit "que" why should I be punished and you not? This is an objective based game where you are PART OF A TEAM and anytime you are having "fun" by ignoring the objective you are a detriment to your entire team.

If by this group of people you mean "normal players" I would gladly stay as away as possible, issue is I CAN'T. If only that ignore would work in WZ's as it does in PvE it would be wonderful.

Now in case you still don't get it your fun comes at the expense of other people's fun who play objectives to win. So you are having fun because you are taking MY FUN.

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Magira
08.14.2015 , 04:04 AM | #52
You confirm with every sentence everything I say.
You do not to meet me, I do not either. So go play Rated and stay away from Warzones.
As long as it is not fully understood whether elitism is innate or socialized there is no treatment. The only thing that helps is a consistent separation of those affected. I know it sounds harsh, you can probably even nothing for it but it does not help.
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08.14.2015 , 04:21 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Magira View Post
You confirm with every sentence everything I say.
You do not to meet me, I do not either. So go play Rated and stay away from Warzones.
As long as it is not fully understood whether elitism is innate or socialized there is no treatment. The only thing that helps is a consistent separation of those affected. I know it sounds harsh, you can probably even nothing for it but it does not help.
I find it humorous how you can sit there and tag someone with insults under the guise of a casual person claiming they just want to have fun. Competitive people want to have fun as well. What causes the people to become toxic is the fact that casuals always use the excuse of "just wanting to have fun" as an answer to having a lack of empathy towards other people who are using their free time in an environment that by its very nature is designed to be competitive.

They have a environment designed for people that like to goof around, its called solo PvE.

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eGraced
08.14.2015 , 04:26 AM | #54
When 8-man Warzones were removed from ranked PvP in favor of 4-man arenas, nearly every ranked player I knew moved on to other games, as 4-man death matches didn't appeal to most of them. Ranked has never recovered from this. I personally PvP less since the introduction of Arenas than I did before they were released, and would never queue for them exclusively, which is what happens when you queue ranked.

If the current ranked community is toxic, you can blame the fact that there's so little interest in it that there's a very limited number of people playing, so their investment in each game gets higher. They can't as easily recover an unfortunate match when the queue only pops 3 times a night.

Besides, a percentage of the PvP community in any game is "toxic" and I have never let them stop me from doing what I enjoy. I just laugh at their rage. Read it without letting it hurt your feelings sometime. It's HILARIOUS how worked up they get over a game!
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Xanas
08.14.2015 , 04:27 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Magira View Post
You confirm with every sentence everything I say.
You do not to meet me, I do not either. So go play Rated and stay away from Warzones.
As long as it is not fully understood whether elitism is innate or socialized there is no treatment. The only thing that helps is a consistent separation of those affected. I know it sounds harsh, you can probably even nothing for it but it does not help.
Warzones have a goal just like Rated. The same way you direct me to rated I will do the same and tell you that if you are not interested in playing an objective based WZ quit any that pops and only play arenas.

I also find it funny how you can claim its elitism to expect from people to play objectives in an objectives designed WZ. Its a lack of respect to screw people who are playing objectives because you just want to "have fun".

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Ycoga
08.14.2015 , 04:49 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by madtycoon View Post
So the problem with solo ranked is that you have a toxic community, because rating is on the line and when you aren't actually talking to someone in a group (like on voice) you are more likely to rage at them or blame them just through the nature of text compared to speech.

It's 4v4, where you are playing a limited class already (which all the classes in this game are really limited to just their role and not much outside that role) and you are reliant on the actions of 7 others, which means you can't possibly have a great impact on a match. This can be frustrating.

The game is not designed around 3dps/1healer or 4dps. You have inflated damage taken when there isn't a tank in play. Classes without an out (snipers, mercs, jugs, pts) are going to have surviability issues. They aren't meant to perform without a tank and healer in play and when that tank/healer is replaced with another 2 dps, it just turns the matchups into dps races. Also frustrating because it promotes faceroll and makes certain classes feel helpless.

The tank matchups in solo ranked are also very boring. Most the time they are predetermined before the gates drop just based on specs. Specs that rely on hard swap will probably never get a kill in solo ranked tank/healer, just because they won't be able to coordinate it. Most tank matchups go to acid. The ones that don't usually are either won by a team being cleaved down or with tank tunneling. This assumes everyone has a general idea how to play.

Because it requires 8 people in queue of the same role, the system can't even pop games on off hours for even the most active servers. Requiring 8 people to make one game in a low pop game (w/ no cross server) is beyond stupid, because there is no possible way an elo system will work unless you have several games going at the same time.

This is also a problem for faction. Because it requires so many people to make a team, you might have 3 players of your faction in queue around the same skill level, but one new player let's say queues for ranked. You then get grouped in with that new player. This is why harbringer republic for example doesn't really see any solo ranked pops, because this is going to turn off the 3 players ready for ranked if they get someone queued who should be allowed to queue, but can't start at a low elo to learn. The faction problem also brings queue syncing. Cross faction and cross server would obviously help this.

The elo system is messed up. It apparently forms teams before checking for 8 players in queue of equal rating. So what happens is if 4 players have around 2k rating and are waiting in queue, the system will group those 4 players, not give them a game yet, but eventually then pair them against a lower elo team which causes imbalanced matchups.

Because the system doesn't have enough players to make a working elo system, you don't have an entry level where new players coming into ranked can play with and against people of the same relative skill level. This is just going to make veteran players angry when they get new players on their team. New players also won't be able to learn and will probably get turned away from playing ranked altogether.

Everytime a new player gets turned away from ranked, that's another player that could have been helping the elo system work. This is not a player's responsibility to help guide other players. The game itself should have training grounds and tutorials. It should teach new players and really everyone how to play their class and role. The game should also encourage veteran/fully geared PvPers to play ranked. The current rewards simply just isn't getting it done on a large scale.

People are not encouraged to play ranked. This is probably the biggest reason it is unpopular. Ranked isn't a requirement in the gearing process. Look at PvE. You get different gear based on the level of content you are doing. This makes people want to do nightmare mode or heroic or whatever. When you can get the best gear in regulars. Where it is easy, because there is no elo system. Where you can group with friends and steamroll undergeared, underexperienced players. A lot of people will stop there and not want to do ranked.

Arenas themselves are not maintenanced well by the developers. They have still not addressed barrier and shield probe and whatever else in acid. They have not addressed skank tanking. Each map has several bugs. Makeb is still not optimized well.

The developers are also poor at balancing even for the tank/healer scenarios. The 3 healers for example are not equal in tank/healer. This is amazing to me, considering the 3 healers all play with the tank almost identically. The tanks themselves are also not balanced. Also amazing, because they play so similar as well at least when you are talking about tank/healer. This causes a lot of issues when trickled down to solo ranked, where sorc healers and pt tanks are clearly the strongest. This will discourage operative/merc healers and sin/jug tanks from queuing.
Every point in this post is a perfect hit. *********** well written. BW should know that we KNOW their real pvp problems.

Well written.

P.S. notice how others in the thread ignored your post and chose instead to snipe at each other? It gives them a sense of control because BW has left them feeling powerless and out of control. BW is firmly to blame for the toxicity of the community because they made the game and their inaction allows the toxicity to remain. People should stop flaming the players and start pointing the finger at the decisions that the dev team has made.
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JouerTue
08.14.2015 , 04:51 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Hirchart View Post
Find any Ranked Community (or any real-life high-level sport) that is not considered 'toxic'.
i've had a lot more experience in competitive environments IRL than in swtor or other games and it's never been as toxic as in videogames, the screen and the distance remove filters and people think they can say/do anything. also irl there's no h2f but you can really make them pay.
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JestersRevenge
08.14.2015 , 04:54 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Ballroompirate View Post
Lawl I take it you're not a sports person, have you not watched Hockey or College/pro Football? some of that stuff leads to straight up fist fights or nasty hits
A long time ago I actually played college football (Division III) and competed on a national level in Muay Thai. I'm in my late thirties now, and this is my first MMO, but there's an enormous difference between a sports team / league and a MMO community: namely, there's no anonymity when your opponent is in your face. This has a tendency to keep trash talk down and you better make sure if you open your trap, you can back it up. Generally speaking, the MMO community appears to be comprised of nerds (I'm one but larger than most) but the most toxic are those that wouldn't dare speak to someone like that in real life because they'd get popped in the mouth. An MMO allows them complete anonymity and a way to bully they way they might've been bullied. I've met and competed against plenty of real life bad *****3$ and 99% aren't trash talkers.

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Ballroompirate
08.14.2015 , 12:11 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by JestersRevenge View Post
A long time ago I actually played college football (Division III) and competed on a national level in Muay Thai. I'm in my late thirties now, and this is my first MMO, but there's an enormous difference between a sports team / league and a MMO community: namely, there's no anonymity when your opponent is in your face. This has a tendency to keep trash talk down and you better make sure if you open your trap, you can back it up. Generally speaking, the MMO community appears to be comprised of nerds (I'm one but larger than most) but the most toxic are those that wouldn't dare speak to someone like that in real life because they'd get popped in the mouth. An MMO allows them complete anonymity and a way to bully they way they might've been bullied. I've met and competed against plenty of real life bad *****3$ and 99% aren't trash talkers.
I'm not just talking about trash talking in sports (which there is a lot of), I'm talking about legit un sportsman like conduct like punching, hitting ect ect which happens a lot, which is a reason why the NHL and NFL have been cracking down the last few years cause it got out of control.

You don't see that in the pro gaming community (even in the pro circuits like Dota), sure you might see trash talk but honestly that isn't on the same lvl as causing physical injury to someone (like a blatant late hit on a QB in football).

Trash talking in games can be caused by a lot of reasons, Swtor is no different from any MMO on the market or online MP game like Dota or LoL. I can tell you the reason why I get pissed, it's when I try to make the effort to make my team win like doing objectives, calling out healers/marking them. When all said is done my team is still lollygagging around making 0 effort to win, yea I'm gonna be pissed and I will call out the bads, not cause I think I'm better, it's cause they're making no effort to get a win for the team and when that happens say 10 times in a row it starts to piss you off cause I'm paying $15 a month for a enjoyable experience.

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Vodrin
08.14.2015 , 12:22 PM | #60
Funny, I've always taken pleasure in opposing players raging at me in chat because of a loss. I consider being accused of hacking as the ultimate complement. Truth is that the bullies can only really bother you if you let them.