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What Gender Specific Content is Offered to a Female PC in the Upcoming Expansion?

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What Gender Specific Content is Offered to a Female PC in the Upcoming Expansion?

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AKHadeed
07.01.2015 , 09:55 PM | #31
Male Warrior has Darkside Jaesa and Vette, both of whom are full romances.

The Pierce flirtership is a bit... truncated, to say the least.
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SelinaH
07.01.2015 , 10:12 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Darturion View Post
I do agree there shouldn't be that much of a disparity but is there any?

The problem I see, it could be the choices female PCs get to make that makes it hard? Or seem off putting?
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Sith Warrior Female (Male -1)
Quinn
Pierce
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So there isn't any disparity... so it must be the choices.
Male Sith Warrior actually gets two romance options -- assuming he
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The female warrior gets Quinn, who is unpalatable for many due to plot reasons. Pierce is not a full romance. Purely by numbers, they're either even or the male warrior pulls ahead -- a situation mirrored throughout the rest of the game, in which the (straight) men generally have more flirt options and more fade-to-black opportunities than (straight) women of the same class.

I think you are right, though, in that the way in which romance options are presented within the story often seems to favor male PCs. Compare the "Quinncident" -- a crucial element of the warrior's class storyline -- with Kaliyo's dubious dealings with the agent, tucked safely away within her companion storyline (and besides, the male agent can still romance Temple, anyway).
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Darturion
07.01.2015 , 10:37 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by AKHadeed View Post
Male Warrior has Darkside Jaesa and Vette, both of whom are full romances.

The Pierce flirtership is a bit... truncated, to say the least.
I thought I missed one, thanks!

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Darturion
07.01.2015 , 10:39 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by SelinaH View Post
Male Sith Warrior actually gets two romance options -- assuming he
Spoiler

The female warrior gets Quinn, who is unpalatable for many due to plot reasons. Pierce is not a full romance. Purely by numbers, they're either even or the male warrior pulls ahead -- a situation mirrored throughout the rest of the game, in which the (straight) men generally have more flirt options and more fade-to-black opportunities than (straight) women of the same class.

I think you are right, though, in that the way in which romance options are presented within the story often seems to favor male PCs. Compare the "Quinncident" -- a crucial element of the warrior's class storyline -- with Kaliyo's dubious dealings with the agent, tucked safely away within her companion storyline (and besides, the male agent can still romance Temple, anyway).
+2 more is not a disparity though. I do not play DS much so was recalling what I could plus watching videos (since I rarely play female toons). The Iresso one made me want to make a female Consular, it looked interesting.

To me it comes down to the Choices and you are making it more clear it's about the Choice of who to Romance, not the number.

The flirt options I address at the beginning of my post btw.

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SelinaH
07.01.2015 , 11:01 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Darturion View Post
+2 more is not a disparity though.
If they're not even, it's a disparity. You can certainly argue that it doesn't represent a significant disparity overall, especially if you're lumping in the flings as viable companion romance options.

To me, 3 out of 8 male PC classes with more than one option for full companion romance arcs versus 0 out of 8 female PC classes with more than one option for full companion romance arcs is enough of a disparity that I'd like to see the devs do a bit better with upcoming content.

There are already multiple threads bemoaning Theron Shan's absence from any of the new promotional materials, while Lana Beniko is featured quite prominently. But at least in this case, Lana isn't limited solely to male player characters.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Darturion View Post
To me it comes down to the Choices and you are making it more clear it's about the Choice of who to Romance, not the number.
I haven't made that clear at all -- or if I have, it's certainly not what I intended. For me personally, both the choice of individual love interest as well as the absolute number of options contributes to the perceived inequality.
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Bachannal
07.01.2015 , 11:14 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by SelinaH View Post
It is a sausagefest. Which is one oft-cited complaint -- current companions (with the exception of SCORPIO, who's a non-bio entity, and Treek, who is optional paid content) are only female if they're romanceable.

No female PCs have a choice of love interest. Consular and Warrior are able to have a "fling" with either Tharan Cedrax or Pierce, but these are not full romance arcs in the same way that Vette/Dark Jaesa, Kaliyo/Temple and Risha/Akaavi are available for male PCs.
Hrm...my female knight married Doc. I don't play that many female toons currently, so I haven't had enough experience to comment. In fact...this kinda makes me wanna run my Sorc and Sage through more just to see how this all plays out. If there's an actual disparity in options, that does kinda suck. I mean, not the end of the world - but that's not optimal either.

I started an all female legacy on another server than my main server...perhaps I should just do my experimenting en masse there.

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Nefla
07.02.2015 , 12:25 AM | #37
I never realized that every single female base companion was a love interest. Ew. >_< But yeah, I hope for more flirt options for female characters in the new expansion.

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Kulyok
07.02.2015 , 12:27 AM | #38
I probably should note that female Smuggler story(female Smuggler is the character who probably has the most non-party romantic options - Voss, Balmorra, two antagonists) in Chapters 2 and 3 was written by a woman, who also happens to be a very good writer. So the gender of the writer in question probably matters, too.
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Lunafox
07.02.2015 , 12:38 AM | #39
I agree with the OP, it would be nice to have more female playing options...I too would enjoy a romantic story with a force user who is in a position of authority, like a dark council member perhaps.

Star wars in and of itself doesn't have gender bias' but the game does. The male PC gets to flirt so much more often, and gets a lot more FTB than the female PC, and what the male player gets is a lot more interesting and memorable. I know that one FTB scene that female IA gets is downright horrifying and hard to forget, if you go that route. I haven't seen the male player get something like that lol. But anyhow, it would be nice to get more variety, and it would be nice to enjoy a relationship with a male force user, because the female characters don't get that.

Also, the male characters get choices with their romances...females don't. The guys get to make Vette and DS Jaesa squabble over him. I would have been amused as heck to watch Quinn and Pierce fight over my SW...even though, I would side with Quinn lol.

Also Male smug gets Risha and Akaavi. Male tropper gets to be with 2 women, one comp, one important NPC. While Female trooper does get to flirt with Balkar, it sucks that she's stuck with 1 romance option from her comps.

Jedi consular female only gets a boring option with Iresso...Cedrax while not ideal, would have at least provided us with choice...until that holo bimbette show ups with her Barbie doll on helium voice to wreck it. Why can't we space her? Seriously? Buh-Bye holiday! And why couldn't we romance Zenith on Female JC?

And female SI only gets Andronikus. Why couldn't we have a relationship with...Ravage? Or someone like that lol. Hell, at the risk of showing off the level of my perversion, why not Khem? That 'little sith' business is kind of cute after a while.

And don't forget male agent, he gets to choose between Kaliyo and Raina. Not much of a choice, but heck, we only get one (even though Vector is a perfect romantic soul)...and no I don't count that icky Voss goober that is forced upon us for a while.

There are a lot more examples...like Male IA got I think FTB with 9 different females...where female IA only got 3...and one of those still gives me nightmares.

Please bioware, be kind to your lady players, we want to be 'players' too.
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Canareth
07.02.2015 , 04:52 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by SelinaH View Post
Male Sith Warrior actually gets two romance options -- assuming he
Spoiler

The female warrior gets Quinn, who is unpalatable for many due to plot reasons. Pierce is not a full romance. Purely by numbers, they're either even or the male warrior pulls ahead -- a situation mirrored throughout the rest of the game, in which the (straight) men generally have more flirt options and more fade-to-black opportunities than (straight) women of the same class.

I think you are right, though, in that the way in which romance options are presented within the story often seems to favor male PCs. Compare the "Quinncident" -- a crucial element of the warrior's class storyline -- with Kaliyo's dubious dealings with the agent, tucked safely away within her companion storyline (and besides, the male agent can still romance Temple, anyway).
Vette is also very lovingly written. She has constant interactive commentary and they admitted they bent over backwards to make her adorable with a dynamic arc. And while she is Light (mostly), even DS warriors can romancd her if they reform slightly and constantly talk trash (which the Warrior is made for anyway). And Jaesa is the whole point of the Warrior Act I so you get to know her real well.

Contrast female Warrior. First, one DS option and no LS option, period. Quinn doesn't like it, Pierce isn't interested in romance. Second, the frame on the Quinn relationship is creepy all around; while Warrior is the same age as Vette and Jaesa, Quinn is almost twice that - and afraid of Sith while Vette is flattered a Sith noticed her and Jaesa is one. Third, main class plot makes it worse.

And finally for a Dark, Empire loving, Sith Code-following female warrior that is a fit for Quinn...

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It's painful who the writers favored here and I say that as a guy.