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Will Fallen Empire Employ Individual Instances Heavily, like SoR?

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Will Fallen Empire Employ Individual Instances Heavily, like SoR?

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casirabit
06.21.2015 , 11:07 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by BadOrb View Post
I'm thankful for the backup casi and am in agreement with jasonNH.

You see when I started SOR ( after FA ) , I was very excited to see a multi leveled strange island called Rishi. The dialogue / cinematic's etc , but had mixed feelings over the only 2 of us can join our other players in the group's instance ( out of 3 ) and it really hit home. So I just had to deal with it really about 8 out of my 16 characters are grouped up in teams of 2 or 3 ( been playing MMO's with one of them since around 2000 and the other since 2007 ). So yeah it will be a big shame. Let's hope for some planetary quests perhaps and that they fix the 3-4 group bug in their personal story instances.

Oh and if they indeed are still solo and buggy for 3 of us then I will probably only do the whole chapters thing on a handful of characters and unsub until those chapters 10-11 get released. Which in affect is a backfire moment for BioWare. The sub for this new expansion idea is a great one but only if I can group up on some of my characters. I have been a subscriber since early access 2011. Take note BioWare please.

Cheers,

BadOrb.
You are welcome Sir.


Yes I know we don't know for sure what they are going to do but if they go down the road it seems they are heading they need to know they are doing it wrong.

What I find strange is the people, I have talked to, say well they need to get over it but yet when the game does something they don't like they want the support as well. Whether or not everyone plays in a group, doesn't mean the people that like groups should be forced to do the missions twice or more or solo them.

There should be an option for these individuals who have as much rights as anyone else and I hope BW sees this and gives them the option.

Now Devs these people deserve an answer from you and it is time for you to stop sweeping this under the carpet and ignoring them.
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casirabit
06.21.2015 , 11:10 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Argonloris View Post
As I understand it the new expansion arc should be considered somewhere in between the original class stories and the story arcs that you saw in SoR and RoTHC in terms of storytelling. This means that as the Outlander you will have a story that has a consistent overall arc but the choices that you made during previous chapters including the original class arcs will impact the story in certain ways.

To that point it wouldn't make much sense to allow characters to do the specific missions as a group. In a certain respect this would be a continuation of class stories even if the overall arc is the same and multiple players made the made the same choices. When you played the class stories during the first three chapters, only one character advanced in each instance even if they were the same class.

For that reason it would only make sense that each individual player has to experience the story in their own version of it.
I have done SOR and Ziost over 6 times on both sides and give me a break the story line is exactly the same. That is a generic story line and there is no reason, other than the romance, for BW to force these individuals into doing these mission twice, or how many times depending on the size of the group or soloing them. If they do this, they are going to find out less people will be doing the missions because once on one character is enough due to the fact it is all the same.

Give them the option and let people like me, who solo, solo them. Don't ignore these people.
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ArielaKnight
06.21.2015 , 11:26 AM | #63
I like grouping and I do it with my boyfriend. I noticed that when SOR was released we had to do the same missions twice for them to count, minus the flashpoints. That is unacceptable to me. Yes I know we can do it twice or solo them but how many of you want to be told you can only do this in a group and not your playstyle.

I doubt you want to be told you have to do a certain playstyle, but yet that is essentially what BW is doing to the individuals who group, do it twice or solo. We don't care you like grouping, you don't have the choice.

These missions are generic the same missions no matter what. I have done SOR because of the stupid way they did it because it makes us do it twice or solo. If i wanted to solo things I would not have subscribed to this game.

And don't give me the excuse it is because of the romance arc in SOR and Ziost, give me a break, the romance arc is done exactly the same way no matter what character you do it. I have a friend that has done it over 10 times and it was the same no matter what character she did it. They can make it like someone said on those romance arc as they did with the Voss Trial Missions, where it splits into two different conversation since it just a conversation.
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Lyshar
06.21.2015 , 12:28 PM | #64
And lets not forget, those free level 60s deserve a chance at some social points. Just another reason for them to give us the option to group.

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LyraineAlei
06.21.2015 , 10:53 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Lyshar View Post
And lets not forget, those free level 60s deserve a chance at some social points. Just another reason for them to give us the option to group.
That is an excellent point, I mean, sure, they could run BT/Esseles-howeveritisspelled a hundred+ times, but it's easier to gain those while out on regular questing or dailies.

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DarthMaulUK
06.21.2015 , 11:27 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by JasonNH View Post
Unlike previous planet arcs (e.g., Makeb and Oricon), Shadow of Revan used personal instances for advancing the storyline. This meant that when you grouped with someone you either had to do it twice for each person while one watched the other, or do it in parallel in your own instance. I get the feeling that with the emphasis on personal choice in this expansion, it is going to play very similarly to Shadow of Revan. Is Bioware able to affirm or deny this at this time? Thank you.
Considering just how bad SoR was at launch - mostly with poor framerates due to a crappy game engine and more than 15 people doing stuff in the same place, Bioware should NOT make the same mistakes and have plenty of instances open.

Face facts, the game engine just can't handle too much going on, and given that the Bioware code monkeys have created shoddy coding focusing around the UI - the main cause of the problems seen in the game, it make sense to create a better experience than SoR was.

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Kirazy
06.21.2015 , 11:28 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Sivar View Post
Makeb was more general content for all classes, while SOR was about bring up the feeling that you are the one leading the fight to stop Revan.

I would bet money that the new expansion will be heavily instanced though, and mostly solo instances too because otherwise they wouldn't be able to accurately reflect the decisions that the character has made in situations where our choices matter, as they've said that they're going to. The only way around that would be to give the group leader's story/decisions priority over the other group members...or if they're telling us half truths and "our choices matter" really means that we play a role in reforming the shatters Empire/Republic...
Or, or, and hear me out:

If you group, you take the risk that your FRIEND's choices will matter, and not yours. If you actually give a damn about that sort of thing (I do not, I value the experience of running EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF CONTENT IN THIS GAME with my girlfriend) then don't group.

It's that simple.

If on the other hand you want to be able to progress the story content in groups, without having to do the content once for each person (which is ***********, *********** stupid) then please, make that possible.

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ScarletBlaze
06.22.2015 , 10:19 AM | #68
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JasonNH
06.22.2015 , 11:45 AM | #69
Looks like we have our answer:

http://massivelyop.com/2015/06/22/e3...gacy-of-kotor/

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"Because the story is personal to you, playing with even one friend is restrictive. Unlike the base game, where friends could play together and follow different class storylines, Fallen Empire has just the one epic story, so it can only be played out one player at a time. That means friends have to either take turns doing the steps or take turns completing an arc for each other."
Going into carbonite until the multiplayer returns to the MMO

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Lyshar
06.22.2015 , 11:54 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by JasonNH View Post
I really hope they spot this thread and think again then. They can't claim to listen that well otherwise. They might as well have made a single player game on the Kotor engine and sell one chapter at a time like other companies do.