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Bioware, please don't keep secrets. We Don't want an NGE

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Bioware, please don't keep secrets. We Don't want an NGE

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Infernixx
06.17.2015 , 11:13 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Conundrum-NSA View Post
The thought of people earning "six figures" making decisions should scare the hell out of everyone. Those are the people don't play the games and enact things based on marketing and psychology dogma, not fun. The landscape is littered with the bodies of horrible games, movies, and TV shows designed by MBAs because that's what marketing tells them will sell.
Would you prefer to have a dentist who was educated to be a dentist, trained to do things even painful things, because it's sometimes necessary to do painful things to prevent worse things down the road...

or would you prefer a dentist who did it because it was fun?
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Infernixx nailed it. This is correct.
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There is no excuse for any single use item to ever cost more than a month's subscription. Anyone who pays $10 or $20 for a single use item is hastening the death of TOR and feeding the rise of TOR:The Cash Shop Menace.

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tharbison
06.17.2015 , 11:13 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Conundrum-NSA View Post
The thought of people earning "six figures" making decisions should scare the hell out of everyone. Those are the people don't play the games and enact things based on marketing and psychology dogma, not fun. The landscape is littered with the bodies of horrible games, movies, and TV shows designed by MBAs because that's what marketing tells them will sell.
They make the big bucks for a reason.

If you're unhappy with it, you should get a job with them and implement change!

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Conundrum-NSA
06.17.2015 , 11:16 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by tharbison View Post
They make the big bucks for a reason.
Said every CEO who makes millions while his company goes bankrupt.

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If you're unhappy with it, you should get a job with them and implement change!

Far far away from my area of expertise.

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ZionHalcyon
06.17.2015 , 11:18 AM | #34
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SWG was solely hemorrhaging subs from the LACK OF CONTENT and UNFIXED BUGS, and to a lesser degree class imbalances (but not that big of an issue for players). SOE at the time didn't not, and refused to understand that you still have to add content, regardless if the game is open world, or theme park. The lsot subs cause people were getting bored.
Honestly, SWG was doomed from the start.

The reality is that the game felt like Star Wars dress up with integrated chat.

And there was no story to discover, nothing that made you feel like a hero. You watch star wars for the heroes. In Galaxies, you were essentially "just a guy". Its the one note BioWare took from SWG and learned from, which is why they shouted from the rooftops when the game was announced that they wanted everything you did to feel heroic and make you feel like you mattered in the galaxy.

Sandboxes nowadays are more of a novelty, unless a really good story is somehow integrated with it. SWG lacked that.

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tharbison
06.17.2015 , 11:22 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Conundrum-NSA View Post
Said every CEO who makes millions while his company goes bankrupt.

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We're not talking about CEO's. Those folks are in the 7+ figure salary range. I agree, they are grossly overpaid. Besides, there are way more of them who make their shareholders money than there are whose companies go bankrupt. And, they didn't get to their position of power by making suggestions on forums. Typically they have an advanced education, paired with ambition, comittment, hard work, discipline, solid work ethic, and exceptional natural talent.

I agree with your premise, unfortunately, the world just doesn't work that way. I wish I knew all of the changes coming to the game too! But being realistic, I know that isn't going to happen.

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HanoverFist
06.17.2015 , 11:25 AM | #36
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The very fact that we know as much as we do makes this impossible to be anything like the NGE.

This, QFT.

No one had a clue about the NGE or even that it was a thing , until they logged in to see the patcher.
NGE comparisons and this game are beyond old and tired.

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Zoom_VI
06.17.2015 , 11:25 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Conundrum-NSA View Post
Said every CEO who makes millions while his company goes bankrupt.
Of all the people making six figures, it's very rare to find a corrupt one. That myth is just born because you only every hear about the corrupt CEOs.
Crinn

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Zoom_VI
06.17.2015 , 11:27 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by HanoverFist View Post
This, QFT.

No one had a clue about the NGE or even that it was a thing , until they logged in to see the patcher.
NGE comparisons and this game are beyond old and tired.
sad part is that search was only by thread title. Also lamo at all the 1.2 is a NGE threads.
Crinn

Sanity is for the weak minded.

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Reno_Tarshil
06.17.2015 , 11:53 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Conundrum-NSA View Post
Maybe because it's a valid comparison?

Either way, I see the Bioware Defense Force is currently in full force now on the forums.
I haven't defended anything since returning, so your statement is false.
Back in Black (and redder)!
The Sith Lord of Butterfly Catching has returned.

http://www.swtor.com/r/kpq6FY for free stuff and thangs.

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BarrinMarshall
06.17.2015 , 12:13 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by ZionHalcyon View Post
Agreed. So far, Bioware is hitting every step, every note, right on the head.

I'm actually very shocked at Eric being proactive in the forums with addressing the big questions while obviously being unable to give much information. Its how the big boys of MMOs do it, and quite frankly, its something BioWare NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EEEEEEEEEVER got right, and that's going back to pre-Eric, back to launch.

I hope this can be kept going. I feel like KotFE is the rare opportunity most MMOs don't get - an opportunity to start over. And it warms my heart to see them not only take that to heart with the game play and the expansion, but thus far in the forums and community as well. Amazing how so little can go such a long way.
I've got some to add to your post Zion. This new x-pack is going to really polarize the community for good or for bad. The changes to everything and the non-existent OPS or PVP content (at least for the rest of 2015 according to Jeff Hickman) is going to split the player base. The raiders and PVP'ers are leaving and the RPG story guys are prolly gonna stick around for a bit.
If BW just came out and spilled the entire beans, people could then determine if they were gonna stay or un-sub and go. By dribbling out info, it keeps most hanging around sub wise until they confirm the stuff you don't like and then decide to bail out. This is a pure business decision, not a propaganda one. E3 is where everyone spills the beans and pimps out their new projects, it's the one time you sell you game with everything you got, not purposefully withhold most of the info, especially with a release date that's only a couple months away.