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tmwfte
06.16.2015 , 11:36 AM | #261
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
As has been pointed out, there are only six Sith present in canon. Not a large enough sample size to define anything really.

The problem arises in that you clearly want to pick and choose which bits and pieces are indeed lore in order to try to justify your position. If we go by Legends continuity, your argument falls apart in that there are indeed Light Sith. If we go by current Canon, your sample size is too small to be meaningful and your "class" falls apart because they aren't mentioned at all.

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Reiles_Cole
06.16.2015 , 11:41 AM | #262
Quote: Originally Posted by tmwfte View Post
As has been pointed out, there are only six Sith present in canon. Not a large enough sample size to define anything really.

The problem arises in that you clearly want to pick and choose which bits and pieces are indeed lore in order to try to justify your position. If we go by Legends continuity, your argument falls apart in that there are indeed Light Sith. If we go by current Canon, your sample size is too small to be meaningful and your "class" falls apart because they aren't mentioned at all.
It proves to everyone the "Jedi knight" class in this game is misplaced and is a Jedi Rank. So don't let this guy confuse yall. it definitely proves that canonical Jedi knight is a rank not a class. I just used Legends to play this dudes game and I'm not interested in the legends bit just the canon which still shows that Sith are dark Users and you are all grasping for straws that are fighting hard against me.
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tmwfte
06.16.2015 , 11:44 AM | #263
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
It proves to everyone the "Jedi knight" class in this game is misplaced and is a Jedi Rank. So don't let this guy confuse yall. it definitely proves that canonical Jedi knight is a rank not a class. I just used Legends to play this dudes game and I'm not interested in the legends bit just the canon which still shows that Sith are dark Users and you are all grasping for straws that are fighting hard against me.
What part of six is not a relevant sample size is difficult to understand?

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Reiles_Cole
06.16.2015 , 11:46 AM | #264
Quote: Originally Posted by tmwfte View Post
What part of six is not a relevant sample size is difficult to understand?
What part of there being 8 don't YOU understand?
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tmwfte
06.16.2015 , 11:50 AM | #265
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
What part of there being 8 don't YOU understand?
Still not a relevant sample size.

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Reiles_Cole
06.16.2015 , 11:51 AM | #266
Quote: Originally Posted by tmwfte View Post
Still not a relevant sample size.
still more relevant than your argument.
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tmwfte
06.16.2015 , 11:58 AM | #267
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
still more relevant than your argument.
And back to the insults.

Look, if you want to go by canon -- which in itself is a ridiculous proposition, because you're applying it to something that is now explicitly NOT canon -- your argument for the classes falls apart because they aren't mentioned and the minuscule amount of Sith make the idea that there can be no light Sith meaningless.

If you go by Legends, you have a wide breadth of time for the classes to change and adapt. The fact that they're used in SWTOR in itself makes them part of the lore. As to light Sith, Legends makes it very clear that they do exist.

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Reiles_Cole
06.16.2015 , 12:05 PM | #268
Quote: Originally Posted by tmwfte View Post
And back to the insults.

Look, if you want to go by canon -- which in itself is a ridiculous proposition, because you're applying it to something that is now explicitly NOT canon -- your argument for the classes falls apart because they aren't mentioned and the minuscule amount of Sith make the idea that there can be no light Sith meaningless.

If you go by Legends, you have a wide breadth of time for the classes to change and adapt. The fact that they're used in SWTOR in itself makes them part of the lore. As to light Sith, Legends makes it very clear that they do exist.
If the light sith exists so do battle masters and weapons master for the guardian CLASS.

If they don't exist and its canon then fix your lore... Jedi knight is a rank. Not a class.

If you consider the canon, it mentions Sith as an empire.

"The Sith were the ancient enemy of the Jedi Order, from which the Sith were formed thousands of years prior to the Clone Wars; the first Sith was a rogue Jedi who believed in learning the ways of the dark side. The Sith built empires on the backs of their slaves and fought wars against the Jedi for control of the galaxy, during which time they built massive superweapons powered by giant kyber crystals. At one point, nearly six thousand years before the rise of the Galactic Empire, the Sith built a shrine on Coruscant, which became a place of immense dark side power. Later in history, the Jedi raised their own temple over that shrine in hopes of stomping out its power. The Sith Order's traditional homeworld was Moraband, a planet of red sands that the group was forced to abandon after it was scarred by many wars.

Their quest to gain power was ultimately the undoing of the Sith, as the dark side made them turn against one another. With their numbers reduced, the Sith were all but defeated by the Jedi. Darth Bane survived, however, and created the Rule of Two, mandating that only two Sith—a master and an apprentice—could exist at any given time, lest they fall prey to in-fighting.
The Sith continued for a thousand years in secret, their survival unknown to the Jedi, as they plotted their revenge against the Jedi Order. It was ultimately Darth Sidious, a Dark Lord of the Sith who cultivated the public persona of Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, who fulfilled these plans, using the powers given to him as a result of the Clone Wars to transform the Galactic Republic into the Galactic Empire and all but destroy the Jedi."

There in Canon it says there were many that fought each other for power.

If you go by your flip flopping ways. I still win.
"It is better to be a warrior in a garden then a gardener in a war"

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WukSouless
06.16.2015 , 01:00 PM | #269
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
If the light sith exists so do battle masters and weapons master for the guardian CLASS.

If they don't exist and its canon then fix your lore... Jedi knight is a rank. Not a class.

If you consider the canon, it mentions Sith as an empire.

"The Sith were the ancient enemy of the Jedi Order, from which the Sith were formed thousands of years prior to the Clone Wars; the first Sith was a rogue Jedi who believed in learning the ways of the dark side. The Sith built empires on the backs of their slaves and fought wars against the Jedi for control of the galaxy, during which time they built massive superweapons powered by giant kyber crystals. At one point, nearly six thousand years before the rise of the Galactic Empire, the Sith built a shrine on Coruscant, which became a place of immense dark side power. Later in history, the Jedi raised their own temple over that shrine in hopes of stomping out its power. The Sith Order's traditional homeworld was Moraband, a planet of red sands that the group was forced to abandon after it was scarred by many wars.

Their quest to gain power was ultimately the undoing of the Sith, as the dark side made them turn against one another. With their numbers reduced, the Sith were all but defeated by the Jedi. Darth Bane survived, however, and created the Rule of Two, mandating that only two Sith—a master and an apprentice—could exist at any given time, lest they fall prey to in-fighting.
The Sith continued for a thousand years in secret, their survival unknown to the Jedi, as they plotted their revenge against the Jedi Order. It was ultimately Darth Sidious, a Dark Lord of the Sith who cultivated the public persona of Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, who fulfilled these plans, using the powers given to him as a result of the Clone Wars to transform the Galactic Republic into the Galactic Empire and all but destroy the Jedi."

There in Canon it says there were many that fought each other for power.

If you go by your flip flopping ways. I still win.
WELL PUT BROTHER!!!!!!

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AmericanNate
06.16.2015 , 01:20 PM | #270
Regardless, this entire thread is ridiculous. Bioware isn't changing it. It's been this way for 3+ years, and it will continue to be this way. So.......... suck it up and move on, or get busy unsubbing over it. No one cares. If you think this 1 man crusade is going to accomplish anything, ask the guy thats made countless threads about the tracer missile animation how many ****s Bio ware gives. I'll give you a hint. It's 0.
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