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dlcman
06.15.2015 , 01:17 PM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by ScarletBlaze View Post
As far as the game yes, this is true but if you will look on the specialization from the Jedi lore it is a bit different, which I think is what he is talking about:

Jedi Guardian

Specs for a Guardian:

Jedi Ace
Lightsaber Instructors
Jedi Weapon Masters

Jedi Consular:

Jedi Ambassor
Jedi Diplomat
Jedi Healer

Jedi Sentinel:

Jedi Investigator
Jedi Shadow
Jedi Watchman


I believe this is what he is wishing SWTOR would fix since the Shadow essentially is in the Jedi Sentinel line.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi


A Jedi Knight is or was essentially a title all Jedi could achieve through their trials.

But of course that is now all legends so not sure how that would relate.
So this entire thread is all about the OP wanting his sentinel to be a shadow? That is 17 pages of awesome if so. Tear into their lore just to get advance class change in game. Awesome.

But if he is serious then his village called. They are missing their .....
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Reiles_Cole
06.15.2015 , 01:21 PM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by dlcman View Post
So this entire thread is all about the OP wanting his sentinel to be a shadow? That is 17 pages of awesome if so. Tear into their lore just to get advance class change in game. Awesome.

But if he is serious then his village called. They are missing their .....
No its about fixing the "Jedi knight" class the Jedi consular class and other lore in general.

Jedi guardian advances to Jedi weapons master (your sentinel) and jedi battle master (the jedi guardian advancement) and change the consulars class from Jedi shadow to Mystic and or another consular designated class. Sentinels advance to shadow (mostly) and Watchman. Not consulars.

I don't want Sentinels to exist since clearly Guardian and consular are the only two paths in the game.
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azudelphi
06.15.2015 , 01:22 PM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
Considering himself a jedi doesn't make him a jedi also in your argument a sith can consider himself "good" and be evil. Darth Sidious

Star killer re-embraced what jedi heritage? that of his father being a Jedi?
Yes. The Jedi Heritage of his father. He adopts a light-side approach. He works to protect the founders of the Rebellion from the dark side. He adopts a peaceful meditation to search for their location and reveal his past. He worked with a Jedi Master after the betrayal...

I think also that you are confusing titles and stature within orders to strict guidelines of ability usage. Titles can change. Statutes can change. Rules are not strictly enforced without any consideration to circumstances or intentions. Alignment in terms of morality is based more on intentions than anything else... a Sith using a healing ability to allow you to continue to torture a prisoner is aggressive and evil. A Jedi using force lightning to repel an opponent's force lighting away from an innocent is defensive and good.

There is literally no reason those scenarios can't happen. They may not have been explicitly shown in what is considered canon, but there is no canon prohibiting it. So, how about chilling out and just enjoying that we have the option to be merciful and merciless as we see fit and do what you want and leave others to do the same.
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branmakmuffin
06.15.2015 , 01:25 PM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
No its about fixing the "Jedi knight" class the Jedi consular class and other lore in general.

Jedi guardian advances to Jedi weapons master (your sentinel) and jedi battle master (the jedi guardian advancement) and change the consulars class from Jedi shadow to Mystic and or another consular designated class. Sentinels advance to shadow (mostly) and Watchman. Not consulars.

I don't want Sentinels to exist since clearly Guardian and consular are the only two paths in the game.
So your big beef is with terminology? Is that what this is about?

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The-Kaitou-Kid
06.15.2015 , 01:30 PM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
Yes because the Sith would kill the light user
That easy, huh?

Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
the Sith that started on his path to the darkside would be hooked on it like heroin and its been explained multiple times in different pages once down the dark path its extremely unlikely they will be light again (on their own)
Hooked on it like heroin? That's why a Sith can't be light side, because they'd be hooked on the dark side like heroin? Good lord. Do you actually think before you type or are you have you just shut that filter off completely?

Another thing, since I get the feeling you think you answered my question when you didn't: extremely unlikely =/= impossible. So, give me a reason why a Sith could not be light side. Not likely wouldn't be, or what would happen to them if they were, but why they could not be. Because so far, all you've given is terrible argument after terrible argument such as "I've been a fan longer than you so I can't be wrong!!". It's hilarious.

Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
And I will say once again, I base myself off of Canon not my own special brand of canon or opinion, you all have done this...

I am sticking to the original formula if you continue to argue my "headcanon" you are just trolling because that is what you are following in Tor. the movies are the canon now? name a sith in the movies that was light side? None.
And I will say: there was 4 Sith in the movies. 6 in the official canon as a whole (Savage Opress from Clone Wars and the Inquisitor from Rebels). So saying "none of them have been light side so they can't be light side!" is a another terrible argument when there's only been 6 Sith in canon thus far.
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azudelphi
06.15.2015 , 01:33 PM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by The-Kaitou-Kid View Post
And I will say: there was 4 Sith in the movies. 6 in the official canon as a whole (Savage Opress from Clone Wars and the Inquisitor from Rebels). So saying "none of them have been light side so they can't be light side!" is a another terrible argument when there's only been 6 Sith in canon thus far.
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The-Kaitou-Kid
06.15.2015 , 01:36 PM | #177
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Ventress would like to have a word with you haha
Gonna put this in spoiler tags just in case people haven't watched Clone Wars and stuff.

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Reiles_Cole
06.15.2015 , 07:37 PM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by The-Kaitou-Kid View Post
That easy, huh?



Hooked on it like heroin? That's why a Sith can't be light side, because they'd be hooked on the dark side like heroin? Good lord. Do you actually think before you type or are you have you just shut that filter off completely?

Another thing, since I get the feeling you think you answered my question when you didn't: extremely unlikely =/= impossible. So, give me a reason why a Sith could not be light side. Not likely wouldn't be, or what would happen to them if they were, but why they could not be. Because so far, all you've given is terrible argument after terrible argument such as "I've been a fan longer than you so I can't be wrong!!". It's hilarious.



And I will say: there was 4 Sith in the movies. 6 in the official canon as a whole (Savage Opress from Clone Wars and the Inquisitor from Rebels). So saying "none of them have been light side so they can't be light side!" is a another terrible argument when there's only been 6 Sith in canon thus far.
Yes that easy and Yes I think about what I say. I didn't misuse the comparison. You are the people that don't get the darkside is like the most addictive drug there is. try it once and you get hooked. and it gets harder to get off it the more you use it. THIS is canon. Ask Exar Kun or ask Anakin "whom was seduced to the Dark side" twisted evil, addicted to its "power"
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The-Kaitou-Kid
06.15.2015 , 09:20 PM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
Yes that easy and Yes I think about what I say. I didn't misuse the comparison. You are the people that don't get the darkside is like the most addictive drug there is. try it once and you get hooked. and it gets harder to get off it the more you use it. THIS is canon. Ask Exar Kun or ask Anakin "whom was seduced to the Dark side" twisted evil, addicted to its "power"
I'll say once again that you can stop using "canon" as back up. There are 6 Sith in canon so if you want to argue canon your argument is shot right out of the gate because there isn't a big enough pool of Sith to take any meaningful data out of. For example: none of the Sith in canon are female, so there can be no female Sith. See how ridiculous that is? Stop using canon for your argument.

Now, for the rest, yet again you have done nothing to prove a Sith cannot be light side. It's the most addictive drug and it's harder to get off the more you use it, you say, but nowhere did I hear "it's impossible to go back to the Light". I hear "It's hard!" and "It's extremely unlikely!" but these are once again not equivalent to being impossible. Give me some kind of proof that it cannot happen, which means no "Oh, they'd kill him!" (because this means he already went light side which you're trying to say is impossible, not to mention the fact that "they'd kill him!" implies they can actually kill him, not always the case) or "Oh, it's addictive, it's hard to break away!" (because again, this means by very definition that it's possible to go back to the Light, just that it's "difficult"). You want to argue proof, give me proof. Show me it's not possible. Because nothing you've said so far, nothing, has done so.
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Reiles_Cole
06.16.2015 , 05:29 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by The-Kaitou-Kid View Post
I'll say once again that you can stop using "canon" as back up. There are 6 Sith in canon so if you want to argue canon your argument is shot right out of the gate because there isn't a big enough pool of Sith to take any meaningful data out of. For example: none of the Sith in canon are female, so there can be no female Sith. See how ridiculous that is? Stop using canon for your argument.

Now, for the rest, yet again you have done nothing to prove a Sith cannot be light side. It's the most addictive drug and it's harder to get off the more you use it, you say, but nowhere did I hear "it's impossible to go back to the Light". I hear "It's hard!" and "It's extremely unlikely!" but these are once again not equivalent to being impossible. Give me some kind of proof that it cannot happen, which means no "Oh, they'd kill him!" (because this means he already went light side which you're trying to say is impossible, not to mention the fact that "they'd kill him!" implies they can actually kill him, not always the case) or "Oh, it's addictive, it's hard to break away!" (because again, this means by very definition that it's possible to go back to the Light, just that it's "difficult"). You want to argue proof, give me proof. Show me it's not possible. Because nothing you've said so far, nothing, has done so.
Just because you want "light Sith" doesn't mean they should be a thing you and your "headcanon" fanon buddies say there is but even the points you used point to Sith Lords saying otherwise
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