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Altyrell
06.15.2015 , 10:17 AM | #111
Oh and Consular's CAN become Shadows.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Covenant

"The Jedi Covenant was a secret organization of Jedi headquartered on Coruscant in the time of the Old Sith Wars. It was established after the end of the Great Sith War by Krynda Draay, who felt that it was her failing for not sensing the fall of Exar Kun to the dark side. The Covenant's goal was to use Jedi Consulars as Shadows to search for a shatterpoint that might lead to the resurrection of the Sith, and then take any action necessary to prevent that. The Covenant hated the Sith with a passion, which in itself was an aberration of the Jedi Code. They believed that had such an organization existed before the Sith War, they could have recognized the threat posed by Exar Kun when he was still a Jedi."

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tmwfte
06.15.2015 , 10:17 AM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by SelinaH View Post
In before "No true Scotsman." (I give it another page or two.)
He's already used it a couple times to dismiss the light side Sith and dark side Jedi that exist, like Darth Gravid or, I suppose, the entire body of Dark Jedi.

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SelinaH
06.15.2015 , 10:20 AM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by tmwfte View Post
He's already used it a couple times to dismiss the light side Sith and dark side Jedi that exist, like Darth Gravid or, I suppose, the entire body of Dark Jedi.
I meant in reference to other posters. In a thread like this, I've never seen it not happen.

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ScarletBlaze
06.15.2015 , 10:23 AM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by azudelphi View Post
Jedi Knight is a class in a game called SWTOR. Jedi Sentinel is the name of the advanced class available for selection at level 10 for a Jedi Knight.

The title of Knight is achieved by advancing through the Jedi Knight story.

There is no "No." These statements are objectively true. All other information is opinion, subjective, and inconsequential. Also, what is your source for your "lore" because pretty sure that source is now non-Canon, lol
As far as the game yes, this is true but if you will look on the specialization from the Jedi lore it is a bit different, which I think is what he is talking about:

Jedi Guardian

Specs for a Guardian:

Jedi Ace
Lightsaber Instructors
Jedi Weapon Masters

Jedi Consular:

Jedi Ambassor
Jedi Diplomat
Jedi Healer

Jedi Sentinel:

Jedi Investigator
Jedi Shadow
Jedi Watchman


I believe this is what he is wishing SWTOR would fix since the Shadow essentially is in the Jedi Sentinel line.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi


A Jedi Knight is or was essentially a title all Jedi could achieve through their trials.

But of course that is now all legends so not sure how that would relate.
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azudelphi
06.15.2015 , 10:24 AM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by ScarletBlaze View Post
But of course that is now all legends so not sure how that would relate.
That's basically what I was alluding to. Most "Lore" is non-canon now.
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Monumenta
06.15.2015 , 10:38 AM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by azudelphi View Post
That's basically what I was alluding to. Most "Lore" is non-canon now.
there are people in this forum arguing that cannon isnt cannon anymore...

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azudelphi
06.15.2015 , 10:44 AM | #117
Fixed, lol:
Quote: Originally Posted by Monumenta View Post
there are people in this forum arguing
But basically it is true. Disney declared only certain produced media to be considered as Canon. A lot of the novels, games, etc that had become the "canon" backdrop of the Star Wars universe was declared to be "Legends." Under this name, it basically says that the material is no longer canon, but could be considered canon if any new material affirms it.

It's not so much an argument. It is an actual decision made by Disney.

Quote:
On April 25, 2014, Lucasfilm Ltd. announced that in preparation for the upcoming sequel trilogy, the Expanded Universe would not appear in any future Star Wars materials; past tales of the Expanded Universe will be printed under the Star Wars Legends banner, and a new continuity has been established that consists only of the original six films, the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film, and all future material from that point onward. Though past elements of the Expanded Universe have been declared non-canon as a whole, they remain a resource for future Star Wars material to reference elements of the EU, thus bringing these elements into the new continuity as canon.
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Monumenta
06.15.2015 , 10:58 AM | #118
Everyone knows about legends and whatnot, I'm referring to how every special snowflake is arguing the parts of stories they like should be cannon or don't like shouldn't be, I have no opinion as I don't believe in Star Wars as a continuous narrative without flaws.

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The-Kaitou-Kid
06.15.2015 , 11:36 AM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by Reiles_Cole View Post
so why do you argue that you can have a light Sith when the Sith feel the same detachment that the jedi feel about the Dark side, for the light?
Allow me to ask you a question. Do you have a reason for this expectation/demand other than the fact that "all the other Sith are full dark side!!!" ? Do you have a reason beyond that for why a Sith couldn't be more attuned to the light side? Because I'll be completely honest with you: putting everything else aside, that's a terrible argument.
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Reiles_Cole
06.15.2015 , 12:07 PM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by The-Kaitou-Kid View Post
Allow me to ask you a question. Do you have a reason for this expectation/demand other than the fact that "all the other Sith are full dark side!!!" ? Do you have a reason beyond that for why a Sith couldn't be more attuned to the light side? Because I'll be completely honest with you: putting everything else aside, that's a terrible argument.
Yes because the Sith would kill the light user the Sith that started on his path to the darkside would be hooked on it like heroin and its been explained multiple times in different pages once down the dark path its extremely unlikely they will be light again (on their own)
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