Damage Meters

I love the fact that the players who need multiple tools to extract and simplify game metadata for them in order to function are the super-leet skilled ones, and the people who're managing to play, enjoy, and beat the content as-is with no external tools to help them, and who'd rather that environment not be ruined by sad little men waving their sad little e-peens all the time are the mediocre ones.

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

Funny you ask that, seen 1 guild post a live feed on their attempt but didnt watch it. Best to ask them if having damage meters would have made any difference. They seem to have run 8 man VE on normal without them so....................................maybe it's actually only the baddies that truly need them.

I have yet to wipe on any Instance & I have only played pugs. Of course, it's early on but...

so far, I see no reason for a meter.

Maybe I'm just lucky.

Actually you have it upside down, players started leaving Cata when Blizz started catering to "hardcore" players. In an attempt to stop the bleeding of subs everything has been dumbed down to keep the majority of their playerbase happy. Last thing BW needs to do is cater to "hardcore" & "elitists".

Why would people object to this? If you object you're clearly someone who intends to afk in group combat and not pull your weight.

Well, I just hope it takes them 4 years to implement it so I can play a fun game before it goes elitist.

Good post OP. We really need a dps meter!

Actually players started leaving WoW during WOTLK when LFD was introduced, and easy mode raiding was introduced.

Then a small minority whined about cata heroics and raids so blizzard nerfed everything then started losing subs by the millions.

WoW losing subs all coincides with blizzard dumbing down the game.

Why would "Baddies" need a Damage meter? If anything, it would help identify them better. They helped me in WoW, and improved me there as a player immensely.

You're in the Imperial Fleet. Some guy busts out "LF Heals HM Boarding party"

There are no requirements listed for heals/gear/etc because at the moment these are abstracted and undefined. So your group picks up some sperg who is in his pretty matching RP suit, and gear wise he looks ok. You go into the instance, and cant progress on the last boss. He has you all tearing out your hair.

Is this due to the Healer? Possibly so. Or maybe he's the one doing best of all. At the moment, without meters or a combat log, you simply cant tell which player is the weak link.

People arent trying to get a tool implemented solely so they can post numbers in chat and call you rude names. They're tools meant to improve efficiency on a group and individual level.

I'm on the fence about this. On one hand, I have never and will never use damage or threat meters in my MMOs, however, I do use a parser from the combat logs. I like to think of myself as a good player, I can and will tweak my spec until it "feels" right and then watch players with more experience than me, ask them questions etc, to learn. I don't need meters.

But on the other hand I have had the dubious pleasure of doing a master mode dungeon (Rift) with dps that really didn't know what they were doing at all. I was getting frustrated (as the tank) with being blamed for wipes until I looked at the parser. In which dps that should be doing 1k in a suboptimal spec were doing 400 instead.

So yeah, I see both sides of it, but honestly, I would much rather just have a combat log that can be parsed and let people work it out on their own instead of just handing it out to everyone, ready to be abused.