LFG Tool... Why all the negativity?

simple---ppl are selfish. if they don't have a use for it so why should they let you have it.

also, they keep mentioning games like eq1 etc as if we care how hard or how social those games were. this is 2012 almost ppl. who cares about your old as$ mmo games? if you like those so much, go back to playing them!

Yes, you'll never, ever be ninja'd by someone on your own server. It would never happen. They'd be too scared of you spamming general chat, and having everyone ignore you and not care 2 mins later about it.

Yes, you'll never, ever be ninja'd by someone on your own server. It would never happen. They'd be too scared of you spamming general chat, and having everyone ignore you and not care 2 mins later about it.

I think this says it, people who are so violently against an LFG tool want to be able to keep 'ninjas' out of 'thier game.' They want to be able to make them pay completly if they do it by cutting them out of thier..opps...i mean the community.

Using the argument that it would discourge people from talking is just silly. If people want to socialize on the game they will whether there is a tool or not, if they don't then that is just how they want to play. Telling them to go out and talk to someone, or join a guild is about as ineffective an arguement as I've seen.

On the other hand Bioware, has basically said they are not putting on in right now, so arguing for one in the forums really isn't going to do any good, obviously it isn't being heard and it doesn't look like it will be addressed at this point.

Realistically if you really like the game and want to see one added, you know what you have to do, you know the only arguement Bioware will listen to. I'm sure you have already figured out what it is.

I'm of the opinion that all of the negatives against such a feature are trumped by the "if you don't like it, don't use it" argument.

I never understand why people feel the need to fight against an optional feature, something there seems to be a lot of going on recently.

The whole "I don't want to use it, so I'll try and make it so nobody else can either" concept just comes across as needlessly selfish.

I for one would use it, I used it a lot in WoW. If anything it made me more social in the game, and more likely to run instances. I could group up with a couple of friends or guildies and if needed queue up for another few players (usually a tank or healer). Instead of yelling in trade chat for a half an hour.

And btw, *** is up with all of this sudden anti-WoW gargon? because we're now playing a different game we have to start hating that one? I don't think I saw that in the eula.

Okay I figure I can add my anecdotal evidence to this. I played WoW between end-wrath through WotLK and I got to see first hand the final implementation of the LFD tool, and I can't say anything for anyone else but here is what I found.

1. After the LFD tool was introduced, I found I could level up purely and conveniently in dungeons, I also found I could mass spam heroics for gear, both of which I did frequently. Doing this I met so many people that I ceased to need to communicate with anyone.

2. Whilst using the LFD, if someone was a bad player, I kicked them. When they restricted kicking players, I left the party. I didn't want their baggage in my speed-run. Before the LFD, I would always try to help newer players and had many friends because of this.

3. Before the LFD tool, I used chat A LOT, especially whilst everyone got ready for the instance. I also made friends. I'm a bit anti-social, this was outside my comfort zone (talking to strangers in a game) but it forced me to communicate which is what the Multiplayer in MMO stands for.

4. Before the LFD tool, I used chat a lot, everywhere. The game felt empty if you didn't. After it, I made a habit of never using chat, as I never needed friends. I also never bothered telling someone what they did wrong.

5. After LFD somehow the entire game felt empty. I was meeting more people than I ever had. Because of cross-server I couldn't add friends of the few people I talked to, and I didn't need anyone on my own server, so I began to play a single player game.

I realise this could be summed up as me having my own troubles, but this sort of behaviour was typical. The only chat that seemed to work was in the city centers (where people trolled). no-one did dungeons after doing the chains leading to them as they levelled, and bots (the biggest destructive factor to any community) reared their head.

LFG didn't KILL the community in WoW on its own, but when they trivialised the social aspect of a social game, all you had left in every dungeon was intelligent bots. If this game uses LFG style tools, I wont complain, but it'll steadily drain my involvement, as it will many peoples, with the strangers of your run, and create the closed-gate community that WoW became, where the only people you knew where RL friends and your guild.

Oh yeah, and also include the multi-taskers coming to the forefront, like the people who spammed dungeons, using the minimum of brain power to follow your group and hit a couple of buttons, whilst they do something more interesting. That happened A LOT. I don't think I ever heard someone say 'yeah I'm watching <some crap on TV> atm' before that (who knows maybe they did, but I never met one, and I haven't in this game).

I did a party on the Esseles, with four people (because the leader wanted to), and one of the people was totally new to the game. He fell into the chasm at the droid boss, so we waited for him and I helped him take the walk back. The worst trolling the new guy got was '>.>'. That pales in comparison to what he would have got in WoW nowadays.

And that isn't healthy.

an LFG tool doesn't have to auto Q you into a group. It could just be a search tool used to identify people interested in questing, etc. They could even state their interests. Then you could click on them and send them a tell asking if they'd like to quest with you. No, the who window does not count as a LFG tool.

Wow... Talk about your paranoid, lamearse excuses.... Not to mention many of them are completely irrelevant,

there are ninja-looters, obnoxious and rude ppl, look who don't talk, etc with the current system. Will a more convenient LFG tool increase the amount? Probably... But it will also increase the amount of friendly fair people as well. I don't believe any of you naysayers can provide statistics to the contrary. It might even be a matter of perception...

If you're worried that having a convenient way to find other players and form groups lack "accountability" (to which I'd argue there really isn't any now) then add some. There's no reason it can't be improved.

Add a function you can add players from other servers a friends - or have a personal blacklist so you wont have to group with those who have proven to be..... Lacking... So you won't have to group with them again ( which would be as much or more accountability then there is currently).

Instead of QQing about what a large subset of subscribers want or trying to tell them they are "wrong" for wanting it (which they aren't) how about not being like the arses you claim as a reason for not wanting this, and start being friendly and helpful like you claim (which is the very reason you want to keep the lowlifes out of your groups) and cooperate and collaborate to find a solution which would satisfy both sides of the community?

Yup, this is really all that's needed. The game already does a good enough job filtering people into the flash point areas.

Im all for a LFD tool. I wouldn't mind spamming general, but then again, they made it pretty easy because you can press the up arrow key to spam your advertisement. Better than waiting in a 15 minute queue I suppose.