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JumperPenn
06.10.2015 , 03:48 PM | #41
I don't care what canon is. To clarify I don't care that the expanded universe that existed for so long and gave me so much enjoyment with all the stories and 'history' of SW not filled in by Lucas because he was busy enjoying his money, doing other things and taking a mostly 'backseat' role to what would be used to make him more money.

I understand how people think disney HAD to do the 'legends' thing but they really didn't, nothing said they had to follow the books word for word as many adaptations have not. There would be little chance that people wouldn't want to see the films because they already read the books.

The only real issues would be with screenwriters/directors etc who would throw a temper tantrum because they couldn't do whatever they wanted with the story.

So I don't think TOR NEEDS to be made canon, canon is just a word that doesn't effect how great or non-great material is.

I think all companies want moar things to 'quench their corporate greed' because that's why businesses exist to make more money and be morally bankrupt as possible, business business business, numbers. But Disney has done fine with marvel and pixar so to think they'll ruin sw is silly (ahem episodes 1-3).
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06.10.2015 , 03:53 PM | #42
I'm all for the discussion, except that it's been done to death and there hasn't been any recent news regarding the status. I play SWTOR because it's fun and just because some company said "this probably didn't happen in our version" doesn't mean I have to adhere to that.

Plus the way things are currently, nothing has really been made SW wise that really makes this and most other material contradictory. Until something comes out that blatantly makes it's so story X Y Z did not happen, it's all SW and gravy to me.
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06.10.2015 , 03:58 PM | #43
They can't make everything under the sw title the same or people would lose interest fast.
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06.10.2015 , 04:15 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Senrie View Post
Well, that was the EU getting out of hand. I think most EU fans knew that the post-RotJ EU was in dire need of some changes. Just hoped it would be surgical instead of a complete purge.

I'm not terribly bothered by what happened to the EU, but the level of disrespect I've seen some give it is annoying. Star Wars without the EU would not have sustained my interest for two decades. I just hope the new Star Wars canon is handled with more care.



Reboots should be the nuclear option, though. They should never let the canon get so bad that it's required.
The reason the EU gets a lot of "disrespect" is due to some of it's cult like followers who were virtually demanding that any future movies be about Thrawn and Luke and Mara Jade and whatever other nonsense. They're like comic book purist discussing superhero movies. They piss people off acting like they have some authority or they are the experts on the subject and then wonder why there is so much schadenfreude when their hopes get crushed.

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06.10.2015 , 04:25 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Conundrum-NSA View Post
The reason the EU gets a lot of "disrespect" is due to some of it's cult like followers who were virtually demanding that any future movies be about Thrawn and Luke and Mara Jade and whatever other nonsense. They're like comic book purist discussing superhero movies. They piss people off acting like they have some authority or they are the experts on the subject and then wonder why there is so much schadenfreude when their hopes get crushed.
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06.10.2015 , 04:45 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Conundrum-NSA View Post
The reason the EU gets a lot of "disrespect" is due to some of it's cult like followers who were virtually demanding that any future movies be about Thrawn and Luke and Mara Jade and whatever other nonsense. They're like comic book purist discussing superhero movies. They piss people off acting like they have some authority or they are the experts on the subject and then wonder why there is so much schadenfreude when their hopes get crushed.
When I've encountered discussion of comics (I never got into because there were far too many issues/storylines crossovers and so on) I'm interested so long as the person isn't being a jerk. Knowing the subject matter never pissed me off nor threatened me that they might be an expert on something I knew little to nothing about.

I haven't encountered jerks in that matter except typical internet one liners the real soandso was the one made by thatartist/writer everything else was crap.

To me it sounds like if the person wasn't being a jerk about what they knew "expert in EU" then the real problem is with the person who's upset that they didn't know the information because this other nerd is a bigger nerd who consumed more of the sw content released into the world.
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06.10.2015 , 05:51 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Rafaman View Post
I don't often agree with Tux, but when I do I drink Dos Equis.
Oh, yeah? I agree with him less often than you do. Make it Tres Equis.

Quote: Originally Posted by Monumenta View Post
Yes a thousand years ago the term Canon meant a Canonized scripture which meant the old white dudes from the church approved the writings of long dead weirdos but since then this thing called pop culture and modern media have developed and the term has come to be used to describe a consistent narrative in a fictitious universe.
"Canon" has been used for decades in the form we are using it in this thread.

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06.10.2015 , 05:55 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
No it doesn't...look at how many freaking relaunches of Batman we've had...Superman...Spiderman...geezus...people want exciting stories, despite "reboots". Reboots happen. Nothing Disney says or does, removes the previous Star Wars adventures from our memories.

The Thrawn Trilogy, despite being screwed over in this reboot, will remain one of the most epic Star Wars adventures ever written. I don't care if Thrawn never lived according to Mickey, because according to the awesome novels by Zahn, he did exist.

There is no "canon" in fiction and fantasy.
Sure there is, but if you don't believe there are any standards of officiality or whatever in any fiction universe, I guess the point is mute.
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06.10.2015 , 08:06 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
The Old Republic era is so so far back, it doesn't even matter if they say it is or not. The reason they didn't say it's NOT canon is because it doesn't effect anything for the direction of the new movies.

So until they say it's not, it is.
Ummmm, they confirmed at Celebration that SWTOR was non-canon. If you like, you can watch the Canon Panel that was hosted at Celebration back in April (which I was at and even got one of my questions answered in fact), and they flat out said: SWTOR is not canon, but that doesn't mean they want to touch it because they like it. A lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL9dsXuH8VE

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ScarletBlaze
06.10.2015 , 08:11 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I'm confused...

We're all playing a game in a pretend universe. Does this whole canon vs. Legend thing truly bother some of you so much that we needed another debate on it?

Old Star Wars, new Star Wars and even future Star Wars...ALL OF IT IS FAKE! It could all change at any moment. Pretend everything you read, play, see, all happens in alternative universes.
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