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Monumenta
06.10.2015 , 10:56 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Bobs_YourUncle View Post
Because many would like that fake universe to be one fake universe and not multiple fake universes. Some are really into SW, as they are into Star Trek, Dr. Who, etc. They want anything that's written in any of those fake universes to be consistent, otherwise the fantasy kind of falls apart.
but the star wars universe was fractured by various comics, cartoons, books, a holiday special, and ewok movies that dont match up and were already badly retconned before this game or kotor ever existed, this want for a unified timeline just isnt obtainable and hasnt been since 1983

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fidothegran
06.10.2015 , 10:58 AM | #22
The game is not canon at the moment, but Bioware will not include story/choices that will not allow the "official" canon to be impossible. Thus, the "SWTOR 2 Guy" and his predictions of allowing the Consular to destroy Korriban are fake.

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Bobs_YourUncle
06.10.2015 , 11:44 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Monumenta View Post
but the star wars universe was fractured by various comics, cartoons, books, a holiday special, and ewok movies that dont match up and were already badly retconned before this game or kotor ever existed, this want for a unified timeline just isnt obtainable and hasnt been since 1983
You're probably right, but that's all the more reason someone might desire swtor to remain consistent. Im not one of those fanatics that can argue even the smallest bit about EU consistancy, just saying I can see why its important to some, and personally, I don't want them throwing Klingons or Neverland in here, even as ignorant as I am about the SW universe, it would just make the whole fantasy fall apart.
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branmakmuffin
06.10.2015 , 11:58 AM | #24
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Canon is about as relevant as what I had to eat last night.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Bobs_YourUncle View Post
Because many would like that fake universe to be one fake universe and not multiple fake universes. Some are really into SW, as they are into Star Trek, Dr. Who, etc. They want anything that's written in any of those fake universes to be consistent, otherwise the fantasy kind of falls apart.
Our characters know nothing of canon or the events of the movies. If someone is really into the fantasy of the game's universe, then what their character knows or could reasonably know is all that matters. Issues of Star Wars fandom have nothing to do with the game's universe.

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therandyman
06.10.2015 , 12:31 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare View Post
So, no, SWTOR isn't canon, as it doesn't have the weight to force other works to adhere to its story. However, the close interaction with LSG gives it a higher level of authenticity and applicability to the official lore than, say, the vast majority of the EU books. The point here isn't to add another level of "canonicity", but to try to reassure those who care about such things, that SWTOR is going to be tied closer to the canon story than the stuff that was specifically targeted under the Legends category.
if I am understanding correctly:

Canon is binding on SWTOR, especially all new content from SoR forward.
SWTOR is not binding on canon, period.

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Rafaman
06.10.2015 , 01:25 PM | #26
Fair enough, it matters to some for continuity etc. But it doesn't mean a hill of beans to me. I never finished and class quest and immediately checked wookiepedia to ensure it had continuity.

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CaptSassyPants
06.10.2015 , 01:48 PM | #27
I don't understand how Star Wars is 'canon' at all. Isn't canon used to refer to legit scriptures or other sacred writings? The word translates from law, after all. Like the Bible, or the Quran; those are canon. Star Wars is some story some dude made up, this one time. Even if all are fiction, SW is the only one presented as fiction. Doesn't that disqualify it from ever calling itself canon, ever? So really, the whole thing is legends; they can change it however they want to.

Plus as someone mentioned, they already began going the route of Marvel, where a bunch of books by other random dudes have come out, and some of them contradict, but they're all 'official,' so that continuity ship sailed in the 80s.

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Monumenta
06.10.2015 , 01:52 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptSassyPants View Post
I don't understand how Star Wars is 'canon' at all. Isn't canon used to refer to legit scriptures or other sacred writings? The word translates from law, after all. Like the Bible, or the Quran; those are canon. Star Wars is some story some dude made up, this one time. Even if all are fiction, SW is the only one presented as fiction. Doesn't that disqualify it from ever calling itself canon, ever? So really, the whole thing is legends; they can change it however they want to.

Plus as someone mentioned, they already began going the route of Marvel, where a bunch of books by other random dudes have come out, and some of them contradict, but they're all 'official,' so that continuity ship sailed in the 80s.
Yes a thousand years ago the term Canon meant a Canonized scripture which meant the old white dudes from the church approved the writings of long dead weirdos but since then this thing called pop culture and modern media have developed and the term has come to be used to describe a consistent narrative in a fictitious universe.

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Conundrum-NSA
06.10.2015 , 01:58 PM | #29
SWTOR is not canon in any shape or form, I kinda wonder why it's so hard for some to accept that. I will admit watching the contortions for "sorta canon" and "might maybe someday be canon" are pretty funny.

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TUXs
06.10.2015 , 02:17 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Bobs_YourUncle View Post
Because many would like that fake universe to be one fake universe and not multiple fake universes. Some are really into SW, as they are into Star Trek, Dr. Who, etc. They want anything that's written in any of those fake universes to be consistent, otherwise the fantasy kind of falls apart.
No it doesn't...look at how many freaking relaunches of Batman we've had...Superman...Spiderman...geezus...people want exciting stories, despite "reboots". Reboots happen. Nothing Disney says or does, removes the previous Star Wars adventures from our memories.

The Thrawn Trilogy, despite being screwed over in this reboot, will remain one of the most epic Star Wars adventures ever written. I don't care if Thrawn never lived according to Mickey, because according to the awesome novels by Zahn, he did exist.

There is no "canon" in fiction and fantasy.
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