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Nerf backlash ("mez" bubble) utility for sorcs!

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Nerf backlash ("mez" bubble) utility for sorcs!

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zZeroAgent
06.04.2015 , 10:18 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by skarlson View Post
No it doesn't. This is not PVE, you should not expect to just sit in one place and wail on a target until dead. You should expect that target to get away by any means necessary because if they don't they are dead period. Especially against an operative with their massive burst. I personally find it hilarious that an OP is complaining about sorc bub when they have lolimimmunetoallyourbeststuffjustbecauseirolledont hegroundroll. Ops are the best 1v1 class period, even sins bow to their OPness. Honestly, start thinking people instead of whining.
reactive, passive CC is about as bad as 12 seconds of CC immunity. god forbid you have to need a semblance of skill and/or awareness to determine when you should CC

yeah, compare a defensive ability that requires a huge amount of awareness to use properly to what amounts to as "CC for dummies"

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06.04.2015 , 10:20 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by skarlson View Post
Have you ever tried timing your burst for you know when bubble is down. There is this thing called 10m range
Yes i tried to, but i mostly with pugs, sometimes even without healers on my side while other side have 1-2 of them. I just don't have time for all these maneuvers. My char will be dead by this time. Also when you break one bubble with your single attack... there is a big chance for new bubble. So you will be chain mezzed. And stunned after that.
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06.04.2015 , 10:22 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by MusicRider View Post
1.5s to be precise, but can't remember dodge giving cc immunity... got to RTFM on this I guess. And if that's the case I would argue 1/2 rolls to counter backlashes mezz is a good trade-off .
it actually lasts 2s, the tooltip is wrong. try it out. saw Mosh doing it and it's actually very helpful because you have a small window to land attacks and finish people off while being immune to damge

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skarlson
06.04.2015 , 10:31 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by zZeroAgent View Post
reactive, passive CC is about as bad as 12 seconds of CC immunity. god forbid you have to need a semblance of skill and/or awareness to determine when you should CC

yeah, compare a defensive ability that requires a huge amount of awareness to use properly to what amounts to as "CC for dummies"
It doesn't require anymore awareness than casting force shroud. I hear beeping I cast shroud unless I am outside of the range of their other abilities in which case I choose whether to eat the td or not. I hear beeping I roll and get outside of their range or stay in range and dps them while their abilities do nothing. I hear affliction dot ticking I roll the incoming TB>CL>LF combo. The list goes on. There is meta here where you can bait the roll or shroud or pop the bub outside of its effective range. You refusing to do it with the declaration reactive CC is OP does not make it so. OP is something you cannot counter or no one can counter perhaps more accurately. This does not apply.
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skarlson
06.04.2015 , 10:37 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Glower View Post
Yes i tried to, but i mostly with pugs, sometimes even without healers on my side while other side have 1-2 of them. I just don't have time for all these maneuvers. My char will be dead by this time. Also when you break one bubble with your single attack... there is a big chance for new bubble. So you will be chain mezzed. And stunned after that.
Highly doubtful. Rarely is bubble up for the full duration of the lockout in a WZ unless you are guarding a node. Certainly not in an arena unless no one is focusing you. Much more likely it will be on ICD and the sorc will be bubbleless for that time period hoping they can kite or last long enough to bring it up again and gain some breathing room. This does not even consider counter cc or defensive cds. Honestly, all these whine posts amount to is boohoo I don't want to meta. L2P is the answer.
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QuiveringPotato
06.04.2015 , 10:39 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by skarlson View Post
It doesn't require anymore awareness than casting force shroud. I hear beeping I cast shroud unless I am outside of the range of their other abilities in which case I choose whether to eat the td or not. I hear beeping I roll and get outside of their range or stay in range and dps them while their abilities do nothing. I hear affliction dot ticking I roll the incoming TB>CL>LF combo. The list goes on. There is meta here where you can bait the roll or shroud or pop the bub outside of its effective range. You refusing to do it with the declaration reactive CC is OP does not make it so. OP is something you cannot counter or no one can counter perhaps more accurately. This does not apply.
My main issue with bubble stun is not that it's "hard to counter" but the fact that it's AOE. If it would only stun the person who's damage actually broke the bubble, it wouldn't be that bad, but when you're playing a melee class and there's 3-4 sorcs on the other team all with that utility, it is literally the most frustrating, obnoxious ability in the game to go up against.
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MusicRider
06.04.2015 , 10:47 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by QuiveringPotato View Post
My main issue with bubble stun is not that it's "hard to counter" but the fact that it's AOE. If it would only stun the person who's damage actually broke the bubble, it wouldn't be that bad, but when you're playing a melee class and there's 3-4 sorcs on the other team all with that utility, it is literally the most frustrating, obnoxious ability in the game to go up against.
This I acknowledge. You don't even need 3 sorcs, 1 will do if you have a teammate that insists on breaking it quickly before you have time to move out of the range.

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Jadescythe
06.04.2015 , 10:52 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by QuiveringPotato View Post
My main issue with bubble stun is not that it's "hard to counter" but the fact that it's AOE. If it would only stun the person who's damage actually broke the bubble, it wouldn't be that bad, but when you're playing a melee class and there's 3-4 sorcs on the other team all with that utility, it is literally the most frustrating, obnoxious ability in the game to go up against.
A few things to keep in mind with this.

1) The sorc basically spent a utility point to effectively do nothing against the ranged classes. PTs can easily pop it out of range, even as a melee class. Juggs can pop it before CC immunity wears off. Mara/Sent is terrible right now anyway.

2) If the bubble mezzes 3-4 people that's a lot of resolve you just filled up on the whole enemy completely outside of your control. It makes it difficult to effectively use CC when the bubble is always randomly making the other team immune.

3) Provided you didn't waste your gap closer to get to the Sorc, you can just use it after they run away when the mezz ends.
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skarlson
06.04.2015 , 10:53 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by MusicRider View Post
This I acknowledge. You don't even need 3 sorcs, 1 will do if you have a teammate that insists on breaking it quickly before you have time to move out of the range.
Even in this instance when I play one of my melee chars I don't assume no one else will break the bub. I always act as though I am alone and break it myself. Meta meta meta honestly these people are just terribads complaining about this. Many sorcs run the root over the blind or they have to give up something else like heal2full barrier to get it. It is something that will never hit you but unless you are just blind or incompetent it is not not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It is boohoo I don't want to meta I want to PVE. I am rooted, lifted, flashbanged, numerous other active ccs way more...WAY MORE than I am mezzed by a sorcs mez bubble. I see it from both sides of the equation and I have no issue with it.

Half the classes are unaffected unless due to range the other half can meta around it minimizing it's effect just as with any other cc. On top of this it should be noted you MUST eat some cc sometimes and this is no different. You can use one of the various immunities or breaks on this or a flashbang instead. META
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MusicRider
06.04.2015 , 11:01 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by skarlson View Post
Even in this instance when I play one of my melee chars I don't assume no one else will break the bub. I always act as though I am alone and break it myself. Meta meta meta honestly these people are just terribads complaining about this. Many sorcs run the root over the blind or they have to give up something else like heal2full barrier to get it. It is something that will never hit you but unless you are just blind or incompetent it is not not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It is boohoo I don't want to meta I want to PVE. I am rooted, lifted, flashbanged, numerous other active ccs way more...WAY MORE than I am mezzed by a sorcs mez bubble. I see it from both sides of the equation and I have no issue with it.

Half the classes are unaffected unless due to range the other half can meta around it minimizing it's effect just as with any other cc. On top of this it should be noted you MUST eat some cc sometimes and this is no different. You can use one of the various immunities or breaks on this or a flashbang instead. META
When someone else attacks the same target and thinks unleashing their burst is a brilliant idea you get also mezzed before having time to move away.

Too bad there isn't a friendly cc ability cause mezz friendly and proceed on my own would have been more effective.