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3.3, the death of dps spec off heals? lol

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3.3, the death of dps spec off heals? lol

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Floplag
06.04.2015 , 08:34 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
Yeah. After reading all of the different opinions and theorycraft before PTS is even up, what I get is people say "sorcs buffed! Mercs nerfed!"

From what I get out of the PTS notes so far is, sorcs use more energy now, will run out of energy faster... And mercs lose an oh-crap heal and gain a smaller spammable heal?

In effect, the sorc change could overall lessen the healing output of the sorc in a long battle.

The dps merc change will allow the merc to sit off to the side and give some limited support healing but loses an on-the-run instant heal. Unless I missed something?

Anyway, if this happens, the dps merc will still be in the same boat of inability to survive any type of focus. Their biggest problem is totally ignored. As is the healing merc.

I am surprised they actually think they need to nerf some of the healing output on the healing mercs instant no-cost heal though. It's already pretty crappy?

I believe the change to the 6 piece set bonus for PVP set lowering the cooldown by 3 seconds on kolto waves is to stop ops from using the 2 piece bonus set from PVE that gives +15% to recuperative nanotech (3 targets healed AE).

Right now, most ops in PVP mix the PVP set with 4 pieces and use 2 pieces from the PVE set because the 1 second cooldown for kolto cloud was not as beneficial as the bonus to that 2 set. I am curious as to if this change will change ops preference to using the pve set fro the two piece bonus.

All the theorycrafting is fun. But, don't complain on forums before trying it. All of you, if you care enough to create posts on the changes, log into PTS try it, and then give your opinion on how it goes gamewise.

We all know metrics and theorycrafting is useful to get an idea of how things MIGHT will be, but until you get in the game and try it, it's not fair to judge or assume anything.
im sorry but again... how do you run out of resources on a sorc? i never do on mine.
plus you wont have to consider they didnt just raise the cost but also the effectiveness... its a net zero differential most likely and ian increase to burst healing at the simplest levels.
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cs_zoltan
06.04.2015 , 08:37 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Master-Nala View Post
That doesn't happen instantly. Sever Force and Weaken Mind don't tick constantly.
That doesn't matter at the end of the day.
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And getting 8 people to consume all Deathmarks is nigh impossible. Put the argument aside for a moment, since you acknowledge that the max result is impractical. Even with 4 it's is very unlikely they will eat all the Deathmarks.
That's true, but I can't predict what enemies you face so every calculation like that is obviously just a theoretical maximum.

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We're getting to the point where we're arguing about the argument so I will walk away from that at this point. I apologize if I misread your post.
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Glower
06.04.2015 , 08:46 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by fujeothree View Post
So you're crying because you don't have a HEAL2FULL. Will you cry about any buff if it doesn't make you god-mode?

And also, who said anything about 50k health pools?

Any spammable incombat heal is great for healing between fights to tide you over until you can get out of combat.
I can do fairly good damage, about 900-1mil offheals (not just my char, but almost everyone in my team!) on my dps sorc with 3 healing skills. And this is before 3.3. Again - i can do it as dps... Try to explain that.

Also "spammable" lol, with 100 energy and no energy reductions from healing tree. Good luck!

And try to offheal your team members on dps merc. Especially to full health.
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TUXs
06.04.2015 , 08:49 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Jherad View Post
And of course the kolto shot nerf.
That's the one that infuriates me. It was a worthless heal to begin with...and they nerf it? What the hell are they thinking? I'm pretty sure my 1.8k heal every 1.5 seconds, while doing no damage at all, wasn't an issue...
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AlrikFassbauer
06.04.2015 , 08:52 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Floplag View Post
im sorry but again... how do you run out of resources on a sorc? i never do on mine.
Which spec ?

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Master-Nala
06.04.2015 , 09:15 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Floplag View Post
im sorry but again... how do you run out of resources on a sorc? i never do on mine.
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It's quite easy to run out on a Balance spec unless you just spamming TK throw. TK/Lightning is much harder. Healers played well simply cannot run out of force, but it's not as easy as people make it out to be.

By the same token, I never run out of energy on my Commando Healer or DPS Merc etiher.
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Lhancelot
06.04.2015 , 09:55 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Master-Nala View Post
It's quite easy to run out on a Balance spec unless you just spamming TK throw. TK/Lightning is much harder. Healers played well simply cannot run out of force, but it's not as easy as people make it out to be.

By the same token, I never run out of energy on my Commando Healer or DPS Merc etiher.
Well, hmm. I must be a bad commando healer I can run out of energy when I focus heals hard and try to burst someone back to health. Energy goes pretty fast actually. I find myself using Kolto Shot occasionally so I hate seeing any type of nerf to it.
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fujeothree
06.04.2015 , 10:20 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Glower View Post
I can do fairly good damage, about 900-1mil offheals (not just my char, but almost everyone in my team!) on my dps sorc with 3 healing skills. And this is before 3.3. Again - i can do it as dps... Try to explain that.

Also "spammable" lol, with 100 energy and no energy reductions from healing tree. Good luck!

And try to offheal your team members on dps merc. Especially to full health.
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Glower
06.04.2015 , 10:26 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by fujeothree View Post
Lol try and get a suntan on the beach when the sun is only out 12 hours a day!
Great answer, I'm really impressed!
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TUXs
06.04.2015 , 10:31 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by fujeothree View Post
Lol try and get a suntan on the beach when the sun is only out 12 hours a day!
I don't get it?
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