3.3, the death of dps spec off heals? lol

I definitely took it as an overall off-healing nerf but at the same time, I was sitting there looking at the merc part like "Is that really necessary?" I really just don't know how it will all work out though.

What I noticed from the PTS notes is that most basic healing talents are now spammable.

"Hm", I thought, "wasn't 'spammable' what made Operative Healers so OP ?"

Serious question, I'm not trying to antagonize you here. Do you really know how little that is in relation to Sage/Sorc force pools. I wondered if that was what you meant. In practically terms that does little more than take the edge off. Even if we assume 8 people got hit with a DoT spread that's 16 force. That's not nothing, I guess, but it really won't allow constant spamming of a 65 Force heal.

You were complaining about the cast time on Rapid Scan. There is nothing in this quote which asserts you are complaining about Benevolence. You DID complain about Rapid Scan. I ASKED you why, if it's good enough for Sorcs why are you complaining about it for Mercs.

Perhaps. But, I'm reminded of a a saying about pots and kettles.

Not picking a side between you and CS, but madness spec played well in PVP has 0 issues with force power. Deathfield dot spread will easily regenerate force power (even if deathfield only hits 2-3 targets, that is 60 force power returned), and force lightning regenerates force power. Each deathmark regenerates 2 force power.

Actually if you hit 8 people with DoT spread you recover 240 force (15 deathmark * 8 people * 2 force). The Aff-->CT->DF combo costs 95.5 - 36 (force recovered during the 3 gcd) force, so it's a net gain of 180.5 force. More realisticly with 4 people you gain 60.5 force.

You seriously can't see the difference? I wasn't complaining, I was stating a fact. Can you are can you not get off casted heals without cooldowns (and/or utilities) when you are focused? I never once mentioned Sorcs in that conversation. (I used strong language with him, because he was an *** in this whole thread.)
And what I said for you, again, was just stating a fact that dps Sorcs do have resource cooldown. I wasn't picking a fight, I wasn't attacking you, nor the Sorc class.

It's just you who act like everything I say is an attack on Sorcs.

Spamming /= spamming while running around.

Cast spamming is you standing there like a lemon.

That doesn't happen instantly. Sever Force and Weaken Mind don't tick constantly. And getting 8 people to consume all Deathmarks is nigh impossible. Put the argument aside for a moment, since you acknowledge that the max result is impractical. Even with 4 it's is very unlikely they will eat all the Deathmarks. That's not bias, that's just the truth. And ultimately gaining 60.5 force is one Benevolence cast in 3.3.


We're getting to the point where we're arguing about the argument so I will walk away from that at this point. I apologize if I misread your post.

The reason we are able to make judgements before pts is up is that most of these changes are the same as the ones from the previous pts testing that got reverted. It's true that numbers may have changed, but when the mechanics and even the wording of the changes are the same it's imo more likely than not that numbers have in fact not changed.

For instance, the Dark Heal buff was proportional to the increased force cost. So same healing per force, 30% buffed healing per time spent.

While perhaps spammable, it is reduced in effectiveness and we don't live long enough to spam it, thats why. Simple

While true, sorcs have many ways to extend and escape that mercs do not. plus, i dont know abut you but when i play a sorc i cant remember the last time i actually had resource problems