Significant power shift @ the Harbinger

You are correct that I have the sage, and the sorc, the guardian Maverick (as well as the jugg but not the *********** operative that stole my name). I'm also Kirk-Lazarus (I do know what dude I am), Tonya'Harding (sans crowbars), and a myriad of other names that you may or may not encounter in lowbies.

The "guild" you refer to is really 3 people, 2 of whom don't play more than 5 or 6 hours a week. For all intents and purposes it is not a guild, but a chat channel so I don't have to whisper them.

At any rate, I too was on pot5 and I don't have the lack of patience that everyone brought here. Yes, objective warzones get old (so does TDM) but if you're going to queue them.. why would you ever not try to win?

I'm not.

It was a silly thread to begin with, and I'm surprised it lasted until Tuesday without deletion.

holy double negative, batman!

For all you know I could be Russian. That would make my English skills much more impressive, no?

At any rate........ there's always that one guy...

After a couple hours of pvp, I surprising am starting to agree with you. tried having a talk with a couple members about farming, triple capping, etc of pugs. And I'm disgusted with them.

Wow, this thread is hilarious.

I get the point that is made about triple capping. "Hurry up and end this, they have no shot anyway. Let's just farm them and get the **** out of here". However, if "hurry up and get this over" is the attitude that people queue with I have to wonder why they bother. They are clearly miserable and perhaps it's time to find another game.

Farming does nothing but discourage the majority of players. Oh sure, there may be those select few who take it personally and find the motivation to overcome said farming, but that's not the typical SWTOR player. What it actually does is reduce the number of people willing to tolerate pvp here, and that's no good for anyone. Fewer reg players leads to fewer ranked players, which leads to more complaining about it.


Not all premades do this, and not all solo queue heroes are innocent. One guild is no more guilty than another, but if anything is ever going to get better, people need a chance to learn and they don't learn anything from sitting in spawn the whole match or quitting because they feel there is no hope of winning. I sincerely doubt anyone wishes another team to "play down" to the level of competition, so to speak. All anyone has ever really asked for (even if they phrased it incorrectly) is for the more experienced PvPers to act as if they do want the competition that comes from a healthy and populated pvp mode. This means taking a larger role in the development of that community.

You see players like Kre'a (I dunno how he spells it) doing things like organizing pug groups, and when Evolixe and Xinika were here you'd see them write guides specifically for pvp (even if Evolixe was an ******e to most people). We complain and complain about pugs and their general lack of skill and then we give that as a reason why we premade and TDM every game. What most posters don't realize is that the real problem is these players have nowhere to learn. Regs are being overrun by premades looking to wipe everyone and steamroll to victory, and Ranked is full of trolls and **** talking.

It really isn't fair to anyone. The premades suffer, the pugs suffer, and the community as a whole suffers. Should Bioware provide a practice zone? Maybe, but we know they won't. That puts the onus on the playerbase.



As an aside, I did not mean to imply that you or your friends were terrible players. There are good players there. Unfortunately, as we both seem to agree upon now, those good players get caught up in number chasing.

I know you're agitated in this little scrum with a couple guys, but lighten up, man. it was just a little fun.

Uh. You do realize there are players doing 4-5k dps, yea?

Not in PvP.