Significant power shift @ the Harbinger

You camp because you enjoy it.



What's more telling is that when queued solo, most players don't or can't spawn camp. When queued in groups... well.. that's a different story.


(and no, Hustle is not "usually stomping". Stop making me laugh so much. You have a few players who can carry a team, but the rest... not so much)

I have to say there are some funny comments. I realize the pubs got a surge of total newbs and as a solo dps Qs go, I get stomped a lot, doesn't matter by who that is the nature of solo Qs. When I tank my healer we get stomped but at least we put up numbers and we won't make it easy for you guys. When I run a premade pub we are just as good as any imp premade so the next 4 really make the diffrence and in my opinion imps are winning that roll. So who cares about win/lose I say don't rage quit and suck at pvp forever, if you talk s**t and your are not at the top of the charts you need to humble up. I wanna throw this out there whoever trolled my name on the imp side pornflakes, it is not me your a total tool now I have to roll with my legacy name "Madeulook", just so ppl don't think I suck as bad as you do.

Not many guilds on this server can give us a good run. The times we are playing objs, and playing another good guild. It comes down to the other 4 players on each team.

(and yes, we are "usually stomping". Your guild has literally no players in it that can carry.)

Even without hand picking classes for Huttball, it was a cluster when 8v8 ranked was a thing. Entrench and Shroud when the ball spawns. Whoever's spam click macro won the RNG roll throws to their Jugg who Intercedes to a stealth in the end zone. Ball clicking resumes.

It's a very fun game in an uncoordinated environment, but very boring otherwise.

Joke's on you, my friend. I don't happen to be in a guild, so there's that...

and when I say "carry" I mean "player understands mechanics of said encounter", not "ZOMG HE PUT OUT DA SUPERDEEEPZ"

Give me a *********** break.


Don't take it so personally. The same is true for every "guild" on Harbinger.

These threads about premades "destroying" pvp are becoming very redundant fast. It used to be on the imp side would get stomped by constant pubside premades now it's just the opposite but at the end of the day it honestly should not matter if you're on the winning or losing team as long as you're having fun. (which is the goal of playing a game, right?) I learned a while ago not to get set on winning every single match i que in. (with that mentality you're just setting yourself up to be frustrated). As for the spawn camping issue most of the time it's on the player who decides to run back into thick of it instead of regrouping with their team. (if players come out 1-3 at a time it's very easy to burn them down).

To sum it up if you're a decent player you're going to do well (relatively based on the situation) regardless if the rest of your team is sub-par. What i do most of the time is i notice other players that are doing well in wzs and group up with them if I've got no homies online at the time.

I am using this in genchat anytime i see someone put up big numbers.

Sup homie.

Unless I'm mistaken you're Wørd the sage, and in a guild (or were couple days ago). I understand the mechanics of each wz. When I choose to "chase numbers" its because after rated 8s, playing objs every wz gets old. I respond to most incoming calls, also have enough awareness to see if someone is in trouble. Just because I (or we) choose not to play to the top of your ability every game, doesn't mean we can't.

Really what this thread is coming to sound like is that pubs' "pvp egos" are bruised. They were use to autowins every wz, no matter how bad said pubs actually are. We transferred here for ranked, not to farm regs. Some of us may run their mouths, myself being one of the worst. But that is habit from the environment of pot5, and/or bastion. If people wish to group or learn from us, most of us are willing. There's really no point in the back and forth in this thread.

You are correct in the assertion that premades are not the problem. They never were the problem. Joe and his 3 buddies can queue together and it's totally allowable and probably preferred.

Sour grapes are the problem. Those players (whether solo or grouped) that have negative attitudes towards other players for no good reason (i.e. he probably didn't **** your mother or anything) and express that at every turn. Sour grapes like the players who look down on regs and the casual player that queues in them, but can't seem to draw themselves away from such a venue.

It just so happens that misery loves company, and those players tend to group together to express their hatred of said reg warzones by queuing them and either not trying to win (playing objectives) or mindlessly derping under the false impression that numbers win.

No, premades are not the issue. I advocate them heavily for all players, new and experienced.

EXACTLY! Balance, gear and lack of content is why PvP queues suffer...not premades.

Yes, farming of players can have a detrimental effect on participation...I totally get that and I absolutely agree with you Vember.

But...farming doesn't happen because of premades, it happens because of the massive gear gap and a broken Bolster system. It happens when Mando'Mike rolls out in his 54k PvE set of armor, with an expertise rating of 718, Sammy'Sorc, with 39k, can crit him for 18k+ a pop. Do you know how many freaking Pubs I see with 1200, or under, Expertise rating? 2-3 PER MATCH on a typical night. Bolster is KILLING these players...the farming of them is a byproduct of them having zero chance because of their gear.

Farming isn't due to premades - I solo queue a lot, and I see farming by PuG groups as much as I do premades. It's because Bolster screws over new players for doing the smart thing...they wear their best gear into a WZ...not crap they threw away 2 years ago or out leveled 10 levels ago.

Balance is another obvious factor, but half of that is due to gear too. Lack of content is also a huge contributor, as players don't see much new they want to check out in PvP, nothing has changed for 2+ years.

Premades aren't the issue. Gear, bolster, balance and content are!