Significant power shift @ the Harbinger

Well I guess that means the problem is YOU...you're a one man premade

I kid of course, but in all honesty, you're a good player who I've quickly come to identify - you'd do well in ranked and you're fierce as hell in regs. Queue Pub side more often please

So this whole thread is basically a bunch of pub players that play on harb that use to win a lot and are now salty because better imp players have transferred to harb and the pubs are now getting farmed and are now trying to tunnel there salt on a few guilds farming them. Btw before some of you say Hustle are "bad PoT5 Players???" can confirm not really true played with quite a few of them in yolo's on harb I would rather have them than some of you *******s that queue already tbh. Oh yeah before I forget some of them are great players from bastion from a few big ranked pvp guilds so the PoT5 statement isnt really true.

Not at all...I'm a salty POT5 player who got farmed on POT5 by Imps, so I transferred to Harb because I heard Pubs were good here and I was hoping to exact revenge...but now I'm getting farmed here as well, makes me feel welcomed

*technically, I transferred because of the population, but for this reply, pretend I did it for wins

I am from bastion as well as some others and I am in hustle so how are we all from pot5....... secondly we have quite a few good solo players from bastion and pot5. We are not really desperate for numbers at all, we camp you cause your easy and we have no other options because where usually stomping you anyways, if you don't like it get better i guess. I haven't got wrecked b any of these "pub stars" you claim. so :3 carry on.

I understand the situation quite well, but you seem to be unable to see past your own ego to do the same. My concerns here rest solely on the fact that reg queues are suffering due to the abundance of premades, which is ironic, considering that ranked 4's are dead. My stance on this has always been the same, and has never changed. Why anyone would support a situation that makes everyone suffer is beyond me. I'm sure the premades are having fun steamrolling groups of randoms, but they are causing players to stop pvping and driving up queue times. I'm all for the transfers lately, I like to see the population boom, but this issue has gotten worse the last couple of weeks, when queue times will suddenly nosedive during primetime, due to people growing tired of being farmed.

TUXs thank you for the kind words. I saw you the other day and was wondering if that was THE TUXs from the forums. Confirmed. I do want to play pubside more. I'm really digging sniper & merc atm, but am still trying to level up my slinger/mando (i hate leveling). When that happens I will spend a lot more time pubside.

My own ego? That means a lot coming from a player who constantly talks down to people without having the stones to identify himself.

I've never claimed to be a great player. I think I am pretty good most of the time. Other times I play like a doofus. In this thread I said that a lot of players are better than me, and then explained where I think my ceiling is. It really makes my head swell when I do that.

As far as 'premades in regs' destroying reg queues, that is down there on the list of why reg queues suffer. Ahead of them (in no particular order) I would things like put class balance, content drought, natural MMO attrition, gear inequity, toxicity/harassment and faction imbalance all ahead of 'premades in regs'.

If you are playing on the Harbinger then you are embellishing a bit about queue times in regs taking a nosedive. I play like 3/4 nights a week and not once in the last month have I wondered to myself why queues aren't popping during primetime.

As far as 4's being dead, that is a bed that the 4's community made for itself. Now they get to lie in it.

xoxo,
bronson

I've admitted many times in this very forum that i'm an average pvper at best. I have my good days and my bad. Despite my lack of top tier playing skill, I'm still man enough to admit that steamrolling pugs is for little babies.



I disagree with pretty much all of this. Reg queues take the biggest hit from people avoiding the faceroll, not to mention the constant coming and going of players during the actual matches themselves. Balance issues just mean you see more of certain classes, they don't affect queue times at all.

I'm not seeing that (PUBs getting farmed.) I see it more that things have become genuinely competitive. Just this morning I had a AHG where the PUBs won handily; very next game, a Novare it was the opposite. Good premades of any flavor still win games.

Now, premades roll PUGs as they always have, just now there are more Imp premades in the mix.

At the micro level, you aren't wrong. At the macro level, the things i listed are much more detrimental.

In a given night, some players may stop queueing if they are just getting farmed. Typically though, good solo players will keep queueing going forward. If bad players decide pvp isn't for them after a bad night or two, then they probably weren't going to stick around anyways. When I started pvp'ing I used to get f'ing dunked on by covenant, red-x, goof troop premades (im sure there were others). Like all day errr day. Still, I liked pvping and it only made me want to get better. Those are the kinds of players I want to see remain in the queues. Players with a little chutzpah.

Balance is also a macro level issue. On Thursday night, poor class balance may not stop people from queueing, but if night after night your mara is getting dunced by a team stacked with sins/sages, or your merc is getting eaten by stealth classes, that could become pretty disheartening. Especially if you are newer and don't have one of each class. Plus poor balance is why ranked is so skewed, which is driving away some experienced players; much more so than premades in regs. Losing quality experienced players is probably bad for the pvp community, no?

To bring it full circle, if these ranked quality players can't do ranked due to viability issues, they will sit in regs and just farm lesser skilled players. Hence poor class balance creates havoc in regs.