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PepinoCantador
05.07.2015 , 02:52 PM | #91
Wow.

Honestly, if the emotions you experience with regards to class changes in a video game extend beyond annoyed, there's something broken in you. The rational response to changes you don't like being made to a product you're paying for is to stop paying for the product, and find something that does meet your needs... Not threaten a man's family because you think they broke your favorite toy.

"I can understand because people are angry"... People needs some fresh air, apparently.

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Infernixx
05.07.2015 , 02:52 PM | #92
I hope whoever was responsible got a solid permanent banning.

For god's sake, people, get a goddammed grip. It's a game.
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AnisaBadgett
05.07.2015 , 02:52 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by MaximusRex View Post
I hope you reported those who did it to the proper authorities. There are laws about online stalking and harassment, and frankly people who would do those things need to dealt with or they will be emboldened to do more heinous acts.
This.

We want constructive dialogue about this and all issues, not criminally stupid idiots thinking they can get away with this garbage.

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ArchangelLBC
05.07.2015 , 02:54 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlon_Nabarlly View Post
I hope everyone blaming the victim here get's a suspension or worse. That behavior should not be tolerated, especially right after this event.
I'm sure that would make you and others feel better, but it would only create more problems not solve them. A knee jerk reaction to something you hate on a visceral level is exactly what you despise in the actions of those that necessitated this thread in the first place.

Quote: Originally Posted by TheJollyRogers View Post
Jesus. All these people actually saying that the tone of the post was responsible for the harassment, and cowardly prefacing it with "Oh, yeah, I totally don't condone it, but *insert reasoning about why the post should be responsible.*

I don't care your spec was gutted in 3.0.

I don't care about the post's tone.

I don't care about how little the changes help your class or not.

He and his family got harassed. Over a post. And all you care about is that bloody post. What kind of human being are you? Are you really that blind that the state of your class in a video game is more important than the well-being of the people who are making the game? Get a grip, guys. Get a damn grip.

Let's be clear here. There is a world of difference between blaming the victim, and looking at what happened and saying "could this have been prevented and if so how?". As far as I am able to dispense blame, which is to say insofar as I am able to hold an opinion on the matter, the blame completely and totally rests with those who harassed John and his family. I am not legally empowered to take any action against those people, but if I were I am hard pressed to see how the tone or content of John's posts yesterday would have any mitigating factor towards that blame.

But saying that what they did was wrong, and beyond justification, which is all I AM empowered to do, is a matter of one sentence. The next question of "could have been prevented, and if so how?", is a more complicated matter and deserves more thought., and the first thing I ask myself is do I understand, or think I understand, the motivations behind those who committed these heinous acts of harassment. Well I think they did it out of anger and frustration that has been boiling for months. Understand that at this point blame and justification don't enter into it. No matter what John did or said, they weren't justified. No matter how angry or frustrated they were, their actions were inexcusable. Understanding the why does not mean I, or anyone else, condones the what.

But if we can understand it their motivations, and if those motivations can be influenced by the actions of the dev team themselves without compromising their own duties or rights, then I find nothing wrong with suggesting such courses of action to the dev team so that future incidents like this will not happen or not happen to such a degree (I understand that the world is full of crazy people).

The game isn't that important I agree. That's why I express my own frustration and anger by simply not contributing to feedback threads anymore. Stopping future harassment is, I think, very important though.

Quote: Originally Posted by Arlon_Nabarlly View Post
Really? Put this in any other context to help you realize what you're saying:

"As much as I detest assault I can understand those people."
"As much as I detest rape I can understand those people."
"As much as I detest murder I can understand those people."

You realize your justifying criminal action right? For God sakes, I've lost all hope in humanity and this game. Honestly I hope EA takes their ball and goes home, they don't deserve this treatment and the jerks that did this and/or support/justify it don't deserve to play the game.
Again, there is a world of difference between understanding something and condoning it. My understanding of the motivations which could lead someone to these actions does not, in any way, serve as justification for those actions.

Since you want to bring in more serious examples, let's play this out a bit. Say that my friend gets something precious stolen from him. He finds out who did it and beats that person up. Even though I can understand my friend's motivation in beating the other person, that doesn't mean I condone what he did. It is wrong for him to take the law into his own hands, and the fact that the person he beat up stole something from him shouldn't be a mitigating factor. In one respect, I don't even care what was stolen because nothing can justify my friend for having done that That doesn't change the fact that the thief shouldn't have stolen though. Two wrongs don't make a right, but they don't make just one wrong either. Btw, my original example was much worse really, but this gets the point across I hope.
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Sudo
05.07.2015 , 02:55 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Dewlmenow View Post
There really is no excuse to go to that extreme, and I don't think I explained very well. It's explaining the reason behind why somebody got angry, and sympathizing with that. Then they commit a crime based on that anger, that's completely inexcusable.

The distinction people aren't making is that one can absolutely 'understand' why something happened, but at the same time can also 'not condone' that action.

Empathy and Logic are not mutually exclusive.

People are also confusing sympathy with empathy (maybe some are sympathizing, I am not) and there is a clear difference between the two as well..

At this point someone brought up a good point though....about "threatening the community with the alternative of staying silent". That also is not very professional, but I can empathize with why the developers may feel that way.

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05.07.2015 , 02:58 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
I love how your post is 99% complaining and insulting and you tack on the end bit as an afterthought.

You're not going to stop E-Thugs sorry m8

going after the dudes family IS way lame

and Authorities should be notified of this incident..
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Magdalane
05.07.2015 , 03:00 PM | #97
Please accept my humble apology on behalf of my guild, John. We support the developers and hope that we can all work together to better the game we love to play.
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imnotawitch
05.07.2015 , 03:05 PM | #98
I started playing SWTOR in early access in 2011. My first character was a Sith Warrior. She became an Annihilation Marauder from the very beginning. She has always been my main. She has always been an Annihilation Marauder. 90% of my efforts in playing the game/improving my characters has gone to playing her as an Annihilation Marauder. I love the spec. I love the rotation. I love the playstyle. I was getting burned out a couple months ago so I took a break. I came back to this.

After reading this thread, I'm not 100% sure what these changes were. However, as some one who loves the Marauder class and the Annihilation spec:

I don't care if the changes were literally "Every character in this spec has been deleted and will not be recoverable." If your reaction to the news of ILLEGAL IRL HARASSMENT was to bring in reasons why people would have felt harassing some one's family was an understandable thing to do, if your reaction to harassment and insults was to critique the way this game plays, if your reaction to this post was not along the lines of "This is awful! This should happen to no one! And this is not the place nor time to argue about the game play!":

Please take a step back and reevaluate your priorities in communication. No one should have to go through what the family members of the devs endured.

John, Eric, everyone on the team, I don't give a flying bantha rear what you did to my class. I stand with you. Stay safe.
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darkov
05.07.2015 , 03:05 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Magdalane View Post
Please accept my humble apology on behalf of my guild, John. We support the developers and hope that we can all work together to better the game we love to play.
Oh?

You know something about who did this?

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TaitWatson
05.07.2015 , 03:24 PM | #100 Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. Next  
Hello everyone,

I have locked this thread, and will be spending some time cleaning it up.

EDIT: I'm unlocking the thread now. Please do not blame other Community members or groups of causing problems, and please respect the opinions of others, even if you disagree with the opinions/how they are presented. Also, if you feel someone has "crossed the line" or broken a forum rule, please use the report function. Thank you for your understanding!

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