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OkuKeelus
12.26.2011 , 07:43 PM | #121
Dual spec is not needed. No.

Allowing someone to switch between tank/heal/dps simply doesn't promote community. Also, kinda unfair to the ACs that only have 1 role.

What is needed however, is a system that will allow you to set a "PvP spec", which you automatically switch to when you are PvP flagged.
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carnac_fett
12.26.2011 , 07:44 PM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by OkuKeelus View Post
Dual spec is not needed. No.

Allowing someone to switch between tank/heal/dps simply doesn't promote community. Also, kinda unfair to the ACs that only have 1 role.
Not everything has to promote community, does it?

The companion system doesn't promote community, it's there for the benefit of the individual player.
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DarkSeverance
12.26.2011 , 07:50 PM | #123
Is this discussion still going on, why is it still going on? They have already said that Dual Spec is on their to-do list, it is something they will implement. They haven't gotten around to it nor do they have any specifics, other than it will be coming.

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OkuKeelus
12.26.2011 , 07:58 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by carnac_fett View Post
Not everything has to promote community, does it?

The companion system doesn't promote community, it's there for the benefit of the individual player.
No, it doesn't. It has to not work against it tho.

The companion system is in, because it's a BioWare game.

And while a, say, companion healer can help you out in your solo content, it can't replace a real player healer in, wait for it, group content. Well, heroics maybe.
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Jylian
12.26.2011 , 11:38 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by stitchersflock View Post
No Bioware should not be forced to implement items that aren't in their vision of the game because of whiners who demand what WoW has. It isn't a quality of life issue, it's a "I want to crush all of my opponents" issue for you and those that think like you. Seriously, dual spec is not needed and WoW isn't a modern game. It is a failure that has a community of whining *****s, it steals from it's add-on developers, and Blizzard hasn't had an original thought in it's existence. If you "need" dual spec and miss "modern" alleged MMO standards, might we kindly suggest that the door is that way ---> don't let it hit you on the way out. You and your kind won't be missed.
Your post truly shows how ignorant you are. QoL improvements aren't a necessity and no where did I state that those changes were "needed". The fact that you state that WoW is failure also shows your ignorance. People have already posted how lucrative WoW is in earlier threads, perhaps you should go back and read those posts. And of course, the monetary success is of course due to the huge player base of 10million+ (Is that a failure?).

What has Blizzard stolen from Add-on Devs? And they haven't had an original though in its existence? Are you just spouting nonsense now? Post some proof to back up your ridiculous claims if you want anyone to even consider believing you.

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Uhuru
12.26.2011 , 11:43 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Draccman View Post
Don't be naive. Bioware, you know you are going to have to put it in eventually. Don't let the 10 year old trolls try and convince you that its not needed. WoW has made Dual spec standard MMO practice and rift followed suit. Swtor is missing some key quality of life elements that makes it feel aged even when its a brand new game.

You can even make it so I have to go back to the trainer to do it, that would be fine with me. Dual spec just gives you more possible healers and tanks running around, so I really don't see a downside.

And you 10 year old trolls can shove your choices have consequences crap, this game is full of choices, go make some.
So who exactly is the ten year old troll here?

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Grimmace
12.27.2011 , 12:07 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by carnac_fett View Post
Yeah, RIFT isn't a breakout hit but it's not because it has a dual (quad, actually) spec feature and an LFG system.

RIFT isn't doing as well as it could be because of major class imbalances and a lackluster game world.
Not to mention ham fisted class balancing by the devs, and the HORRIBLE pvp level system you can't even get started on till 50... to get gear that is literally game breaking in pvp.

Which I have a feeling will be the same case in swtor (the gear being game breaking vs those without it) however thankfully it's definitely easier to get (though 50's definitely need to be separated from everyone in the 1-49 range.

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SBite
12.27.2011 , 10:01 AM | #128
The only thing Dual spec achieves is to please lazy ppl that want to be able to do everything without effort. But they are unable to realize simple things like that all this is just reducing diversity and uniqueness of the 20 classes we have now in the game. Duals spec reduces classes from 20 to 8. AC swapping will reduce them to 4. And when that happens they will want to swap between all 4 classes because it is "Quality of life improvement" and otherwise they will be forced to level another char but they just CBA. All their game playing can be summed in "I want everything because I CBA anything".

Since when leveling as tank or healer is impossible? No they just CBA to level 15% slower even if they have groups 50% faster. (Numbers taken from my "you know what"). If you haven't noticed you have companions and they can be perfect STRONG healers, DPSes and tanks if you know how to gear yourself and companion.

Its just plain stupid to ruin all the diversity and uniqueness we now have only because you CBA to learn how to gear and use your companion.

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Tillycat
12.27.2011 , 10:09 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Wylding View Post
Dual Spec isn't needed at all...WoW is a failed model. Go back to WoW for your dual spec.
Hahahahaha World of Warcraft, the single most successful MMO in the history of anything MMO related and it's a failed model?!?!

EVERY MMO released aspires to be as successful and WoW, not be confused with cloning WoW but simply to be as successful.

Your logic and post is a failed model!!
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TiggaHarley
12.27.2011 , 12:57 PM | #130
Dual Spec in WOW came out 5 years after the game was released. Quit saying this game needs it. No game NEEDS it.

I made 4 different warriors back in the day for WOW. Each was unique in his own way or for a certain playstyle.

In any game, when you roll a healer you know your damage to monsters will be lower. Dual Spec killed this concept. I wanna to play a healer but now i can respec to kill stuff uber fast and then respec back to healer. Players should not have the option to have it both ways. Choose your playstyle and commit.

Same logic should go for a PVP character. If you want a PVP character, then you know your PVE will be less effective and vise versa.

I will sign a petition for never having dual spec.