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12 x XP for class-missions

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TUXs
03.24.2015 , 09:44 AM | #651
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
That would give you that "light speed, easy mode, fast pass to max level" so that you can avoid the minimal effort required to level that new character, which seems to be exactly what you want.

Hence, the "Your suggested compromise is NO compromise--just give you EXACTLY what you want". That being the "light speed, easy mode, fast pass to max level".
Do you have problems with reading or with comprehension? Or are you just trolling now? I very specifically told you EXACTLY what I want.
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ekwalizer
03.24.2015 , 09:47 AM | #652
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What the hell? No lol...

Now pay attention, I told you what I want - I just want to be able to do more Ops and help more people looking for groups.

To do that, I need a way around lockouts. Currently, my only choice is a new toon, I'd like at least a duplicate 60 of my primary class. I don't give a flip if he's insta 60 or I level him via 12xXP or if Bioware just plops him in my character list. I'd be even happier if they revisited and removed lockouts, as then I wouldn't need another character or 12xXP at all then. Until they do, 12xXP is the closest thing I've seen to giving me what I'd like...and I'd like more of it.

My suggestion that you seem to think was "EXACTLY what I want", isn't even close...but I understand that Bioware would like to profit off someone like me who doesn't care about their stories...so my "compromise" was a 3-hour buff that they sell for CC's, just like other buffs they sell.
Why didn't you use the nearly two months of 12XP for that purpose? You've been here for a long time Tux. We debated almost two years ago about AC respec. At that time, I had 12 level 55s. Now I have 23. I had 19 before 12XP.

I have a full time job, married, kids, go to college and still find time to play. The game is 3.25 years old.

I agree that there *should* be a fast leveling option for players with several post chapter 3 toons.

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a small, stacking xp boost every time a unique chapter 3 is completed. I'd also be fine for permanent 12XP for players who have completed all 8 stories (and find a way that it doesn't have to be on the same server - just check achievements across the entire account).
Let this sink in, this game is Free to Play, boasts one of the most popular IPs on the planet and yet 76.47% of the servers are empty.

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TUXs
03.24.2015 , 09:54 AM | #653
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
Why didn't you use the nearly two months of 12XP for that purpose? You've been here for a long time Tux. We debated almost two years ago about AC respec. At that time, I had 12 level 55s. Now I have 23. I had 19 before 12XP.
Because I enjoy playing the game more than leveling, but I did use that time to grind an Imp mirror toon.
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ekwalizer
03.24.2015 , 10:00 AM | #654
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Because I enjoy playing the game more than leveling, but I did use that time to grind an Imp mirror toon.
I get what you want to do, I have 5 mercs (and a mando) and two PTs on JC among many other duplicates. And I did that for the same reason, I wanted to be able to raid every day on a bounty hunter.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you had the mechanism to get those extra Ops toons.
Let this sink in, this game is Free to Play, boasts one of the most popular IPs on the planet and yet 76.47% of the servers are empty.

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Ratajack
03.24.2015 , 10:03 AM | #655
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
That would give you that "light speed, easy mode, fast pass to max level" so that you can avoid the minimal effort required to level that new character, which seems to be exactly what you want.

Hence, the "Your suggested compromise is NO compromise--just give you EXACTLY what you want". That being the "light speed, easy mode, fast pass to max level".


Now, if you want to talk about removing the lockouts, I'll agree with you there. I would also like to see those lockouts removed so that you, and others, can run those OPS to your heart's content--with the provision that only the first kill of each boss is loot eligible. That would also give those players who find themselves in PUG's that do not finish the instance the chance to join another group and be able to finish the instance.
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Do you have problems with reading or with comprehension? Or are you just trolling now? I very specifically told you EXACTLY what I want.
You claim to only want to be able to play more OPS, yet in your zeal to attack me personally, yo totally ignored the second part of that post. That would be the part in which I agreed with a means to allow you play
more of those OPS.

Now why would you ignore the portions of a post in which someone is agreeing with you on a means to give you what you claim to want--the option to play more OPS?

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TUXs
03.24.2015 , 10:10 AM | #656
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
You claim to only want to be able to play more OPS, yet in your zeal to attack me personally, yo totally ignored the second part of that post. That would be the part in which I agreed with a means to allow you play
more of those OPS.

Now why would you ignore the portions of a post in which someone is agreeing with you on a means to give you what you claim to want--the option to play more OPS?
I stopped reading when you misrepresented what you had quoted me as saying. The rest of your post was inconsequential when you opened with what was a flat out lie.

edit: I'd be fine with that. I've long supported exactly that type of "loot lockout" system.
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TUXs
03.24.2015 , 10:11 AM | #657
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
I get what you want to do, I have 5 mercs (and a mando) and two PTs on JC among many other duplicates. And I did that for the same reason, I wanted to be able to raid every day on a bounty hunter.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but you had the mechanism to get those extra Ops toons.
Exactly what I'd like to do. I just ran out of time during 12xXP because we were working on NiM DF/DP...I was lucky to get my Merc done.
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Ratajack
03.24.2015 , 10:23 AM | #658
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
edit: I'd be fine with that. I've long supported exactly that type of "loot lockout" system.
May I suggest, then, that you put your efforts into asking that the lockout system be changed?


Given the devs silence on the issue of 12XP and Musco's latest statement, I think there might be more success in getting the lockout system reviewed and possibly changed than there would be in getting that "light speed, easy mode, fast pass to max level".

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TUXs
03.24.2015 , 10:28 AM | #659
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
May I suggest, then, that you put your efforts into asking that the lockout system be changed?


Given the devs silence on the issue of 12XP and Musco's latest statement, I think there might be more success in getting the lockout system reviewed and possibly changed than there would be in getting that "light speed, easy mode, fast pass to max level".
They've been more silent on lockouts Rat...12xXP is a system they've already shown they're willing to give us, adjusting the lockouts isn't. I believe my effort is best spent where it requires the least amount of work from Bioware.
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Seldan
03.24.2015 , 10:33 AM | #660
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post

The word you are looking for is "compromise". We are not going to get permanent 12x xp. That would be the death of the game. The game loyalists who are die-hard against it, would leave the game. The game *might* benefit from a temporary influx of players but they would virtually all be transient. This game has a problem retaining new players based on Bioware/EA's draconian F2P model.
Those same concerns were raised in WoW for heirlooms/character boosts. Rift offers 80% xp potions. They did not harm the leveling process, they bolstered it ( and generated revenue for the game ).

12XP is focused on as it allows the Class Stories to be played seamlessly, which is a strong selling point.

That said, I like your idea regarding the progressive experience boost based on story completion. That would be a decent compromise compared to a 12XP boost.

An option for the developers would be to introduce the 12XP (Class Story Leveling Feature) as a CM consumable in a limited fashion, similar to Black/White Dyes or the Gold Scalene armor. Allow the developers to gather more data on what effects it has on the leveling process - especially when it's not tied to the ramp up before an expansion, when players tend to re-roll, return to the game, etc.

From my POV, I already have every Advanced Class in the game. I'm currently leveling my second Guardian and Operative. Would I use this on future alts? Sure, but not all of them. I would consider myself a game loyalist. I'm not going to leave the game regardless if they implement the feature or not.