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GTN Scam Solution - Please Consider This Bioware

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GTN Scam Solution - Please Consider This Bioware

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LyraineAlei
03.05.2015 , 09:55 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyosji View Post
It's quite clear that anon is just trolling people at this point with is retaliative insults, but I just want to ask one thing. How would his suggestion protect people any differently then what they are now? If, by his own thought process, people aren't noticing the , and., what makes you think they will notice the colors as well? When people rush through the sales (Which, again, is obvious considering you have to double confirm sales), why do you think adding colors will have any difference on the outcome. Will you be refunding people that complain they were 'scammed' using your method? If not, I guess your method isn't as great as you praise it out to be.
I already disregard non-default font colors among default-colored fonted text, because my brain identifies them as "Hyperlinks here for more reading". I don't see how colors would help people who already speed click.

My other issue with the idea that poster has is the popup with a timer. It would be a punishment for those who already use the available tools, and I would stop using the GTN and go to the /trade channel instead, personally.

I wouldn't mind if they auto-sorted the first time around on price instead of time left in a sale.

But what do I know? I am clearly an idiot/troll/have no clue about how the real world works/troll. *rolls eyes*

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Billupsat
03.05.2015 , 10:16 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
Try telling that to people who accidentally bought tiny stacks of resources off the GTN for MILLIONS of credits, thousands of times more than they're ever going to be worth.
I'd tell them what I'm telling you. READ and it will solve all your problems, they aren't putting anything out there for one price and taking another, this isn't a bait and switch, therefore it isn't a scam. The only person at fault in these situation is the buyer, so quit trying to make this something it isn't and get over it.

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lightSaberAddiCt
03.05.2015 , 10:17 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
I'll just repeat myself from a mere 12 forum posts ago (none of them mine):

"The only valid buyer protection is the buyer protection that's automatic... something built-in and guaranteed to occur that doesn't require the person to remember to click something extra and figure out numbers to type into boxes."

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Or keep it the way it is so we can all laugh at the idiots that come here and QQ about it, or want some unnecessary change the the gtn to protect themselves from thier own stupidity....which is equally hilarious.

Yeah...yeah... I know I am trolling, but the OP lays out some good bait, what can I say.

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anonnn
03.16.2015 , 12:24 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by LyraineAlei View Post
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My other issue with the idea that poster has is the popup with a timer. It would be a punishment for those who already use the available tools, and I would stop using the GTN and go to the /trade channel instead, personally.
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We're talking about PURCHASES on the gtn... instead of put up with a mere 3-second delay to finalize the purchase of an item over 250K after you searched for it for probably at LEAST 60 seconds in the listings, you're instead going to go to the /trade channel and ask if anyone has the same item for purchase? What sense does that make?

3 seconds is NOTHING! . . one, one thousand, two, one thousand, three, one thousand. DONE. Item purchased. It's nothing. 3 seconds is nothing.

What do we gain from that 3 seconds? It provides the time for the imminent mistaken purchases for 250K+ credits to be noticed by the hurried purchaser, because the high price will be in a bright color and the 'OK' button will not be clickable. The buyer will think "hmm that's weird, I thought that item was for 7,000 credits". That mere 3 seconds just saved someone 7 million credits.

Never mind that a lot of those mistaken purchases will be scam listings that were priced intentionally to get them mistaken for lesser priced items. It'll keep millions of credits out of the hands of crooks and will make GTN scamming a non-existent business. How much more justifiable do you think a feature upgrade could be?
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Boring conversation anyway.
Think twice. . . Think again.
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branmakmuffin
03.16.2015 , 12:42 PM | #125
Scam: you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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anonnn
03.16.2015 , 12:51 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Scam: you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I'm sure you can figure it out. Look at the GTN under the materials category, pick any sub-category and look at the MOST expensive listings. There are people who repeatedly post 1 unit of material for ONE BILLION credits. It would be ridiculous to assert that these postings are intended to be accidentally purchased, since it sticks out like a sore thumb so much. These postings are placed there to alert buyers that they're looking at the MOST expensive end of the listings.

These people wouldn't be going to such a level of effort every 2 days, just to be cute. They're attempting to end the GTN mistakes that keep taking millions of credits from players for items that are worth at most, probably 20K credits. Whether or not any or all of these mistaken purchases were intended as scams is a side topic. It doesn't matter at all whether any are scams, the problem has to be fixed either way, and the solution is the same solution either way. Whether any are scams are completely immaterial to what needs to be done about the problem.

Never mind that there are blatant pricing scams that can be seen all over the place on the GTN, and that time after time a weary and unaware new SWToR victim falls prey to these pricing scams and loses millions of credits. Anyone being particularly outspoken about this GTN problem not needing to be fixed is obviously one OF the scammers.
Boring conversation anyway.
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Papazmurf
03.16.2015 , 02:29 PM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
I'm sure you can figure it out, if you bother to use your brain. Look at the GTN under the materials category, pick any sub-category and look at the MOST expensive listings. There are people who repeatedly post 1 unit of material for ONE BILLION credits. It would be ridiculous to assert that these postings are intended to be accidentally purchased, since it sticks out like a sore thumb so much. These postings are placed there to alert buyers that they're looking at the MOST expensive end of the listings.

These people wouldn't be going to such a level of effort every 2 days, just to be cute. They're attempting to end the GTN mistakes that keep taking millions of credits from players for items that are worth at most, probably 20K credits. Whether or not any or all of these mistaken purchases were intended as scams is a side topic. It doesn't matter at all whether any are scams, the problem has to be fixed either way, and the solution is the same solution either way. Whether any are scams are completely immaterial to what needs to be done about the problem.

Never mind that there are blatant pricing scams that can be seen all over the place on the GTN, and that time after time a weary and unaware new SWToR victim falls prey to these pricing scams and loses millions of credits. Anyone being particularly outspoken about this GTN problem not needing to be fixed is obviously either one OF the scammers, or is just simply very very stupid.
It's not that I don't agree with what you said, I just don't know why you bother. These threads have become definition battles over the word scam. There's an issue with how pricing can look similar (not identical or the same...) on the GTN. I won't care say there's a word to define that issue.

Reality is that the issue is solved by careful viewing of the GTN. I think the bigger question should be is it reasonable to think that players of all types and ages could be confused by the numbers looking similar. There are some opportunistic sellers that definitely do as evidenced here:

Quote: Originally Posted by UlaVii View Post
I made an accidental purchase late one night and contacted the seller to say "yeah ok you got me, how about giving half back?". They declined and bragged something like "it happened to me and sucked but then realised I could make a lot of credits doing this so I decided to do it as well , Bioware know about the problem and don't care so no one can stop me". Then they spent days mailing and /w taunts..
However, judging from a lot of replies on the GTN topic in general it would appear that a lot of players do not think it is reasonable to think that buyers could be confused into making these mistakes...
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anonnn
03.16.2015 , 05:21 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Papazmurf View Post
...There are some opportunistic sellers that definitely do as evidenced here:

Quote: Originally Posted by UlaVii
I made an accidental purchase late one night and contacted the seller to say "yeah ok you got me, how about giving half back?". They declined and bragged something like "it happened to me and sucked but then realised I could make a lot of credits doing this so I decided to do it as well , Bioware know about the problem and don't care so no one can stop me". Then they spent days mailing and /w taunts..
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However, judging from a lot of replies on the GTN topic in general it would appear that a lot of players do not think it is reasonable to think that buyers could be confused into making these mistakes...
Could you point me towards the original thread of that quote from UlaVii?

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Boring conversation anyway.
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branmakmuffin
03.16.2015 , 07:35 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
I'm sure you can figure it out, if you bother to use your brain.
I'm sure you could figure it out, if you just used a dictionary.

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anonnn
03.16.2015 , 08:28 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
I'm sure you could figure it out, if you just used a dictionary.
SCAM : a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation

I'll break it down for you, since it seems you don't think the GTN tricks count as a scam. Because of the usage of two instances of the word "or", the following FOUR things literally ALL count as a scam.
  • a fraudulent act
  • a fraudulent operation
  • a deceptive act
  • a deceptive operation

OK so if you think the GTN tricks that have been described, and also witnessed by myself and others in the GTN listings... don't qualify as a deceptive act... then you must be entirely off your rocker. Good luck figuring out how you ended up so sure of yourself when you're exactly wrong.
Boring conversation anyway.
Think twice. . . Think again.
Nullius in verba. . .