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create a new 'Purchase Alert' to protect GTN buyers

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create a new 'Purchase Alert' to protect GTN buyers

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azudelphi
03.04.2015 , 08:54 PM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
The voice against the tradeoff (that's actually REQUIRED by this suggestion) should never be louder than the magnitude of the tradeoff itself. Remove the tradeoff and the suggestion no longer qualifies as a fix of the problem.
Seriously though... even if not a full fix, if it were optional it would be an acceptable fix to many who disagree with the mandatory nature. Is not a partial fix better than no fix at all?

Think of the people who could be saved with a compromise solution as opposed to no solution.
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gbrumback
03.04.2015 , 11:15 PM | #192
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
The problem here is that people have become so self-elected by their own selfishness that they're unwilling to compromise in even the slightest way
Pot, meet Kettle. Any rational and reasonable person who is part of a large community should understand that they are not going to get 100% of what they want.

You can please some of the people all the time.
You can please all of the people some of the time.
But you cannot please all of the people all of the time.

Are implying that I am a bad person because I expect people to think, pay attention to what they are doing, and take responsibility for their actions? If so, then I am a bad, bad man because I do.

As others have said before, we would not beopposed to your suggestion if it had a switch to turn off. Have it on by defualt at character creation, and the user can make the decision to manually turn it off. If, they consciously disable it and then spend too much on an item, that is 10000% their own fault. To quote Ron White, "You can't fix stupid." But, that unfortunately would require compromise on your part Mr. OP.

Lastly, the devs have a huge list of REAL problems to fix in this game. Everything from massive bugs in OP's, to problems with armor not displaying properly. I would say that your suggestion ranks somewhere below us getting our asteroid ships for GSF.
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anonnn
03.05.2015 , 06:24 AM | #193
Quote: Originally Posted by gbrumback View Post
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Are implying that I am a bad person because I expect people to think, pay attention to what they are doing, and take responsibility for their actions? If so, then I am a bad, bad man because I do.
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But, that unfortunately would require compromise on your part Mr. OP.

Lastly, the devs have a huge list of REAL problems to fix in this game. Everything from massive bugs in OP's, to problems with armor not displaying properly. I would say that your suggestion ranks somewhere below us getting our asteroid ships for GSF.
You must digress, the compromise is all yours to be made... the suggestion is here to view and changing it just defeats the function of it. You simply refuse to make even the slightest compromise whatsoever and are over-stating what the impact would be on your gameplay to make it seem compelling to avoid upsetting you by implementing this suggestion.

Since the lot of you refuse to compromise even a tiny amount, the conclusion can be made that you'll remain stubborn and completely devoid of logic and consideration of other players.

What's more severe? Having to wait an extra 3 seconds on your expensive GTN purchases, or losing MILLIONS of credits in a GTN accident? Stop being so thick-headed and selfish.
Boring conversation anyway.
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Legolose
03.05.2015 , 06:27 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
This new feature would be called a 'Purchase Alert' because the objective is to successfully ALERT the GTN buyer when they've clicked to buy an expensive item, rather than how it works now which is an 'OK' button in a popup window that has an identical appearance for all purchases cheap or expensive. The current Purchase Confirmation Dialog gets either switched off or blindly clicked by probably over 98% of GTN buyers, so in the real world it's entirely ineffective.

Note on the root cause of GTN accidents:
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To successfully alert a GTN buyer that they're purchasing an expensive item, we can modify the old purchase confirmation window to color-code the price and also require purchase confirmation for expensive items:
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  • display the price in an attention-grabbing color at price triggers of:
    . . . . 75,000 . . 250,000 . . 2,000,000 . . 10,000,000
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  • for items costing 250K+, ALWAYS show the Purchase Alert with a 5-second delay on enabling the "OK" button. The delay will be reduced to a 3-second delay if the Preferences checkbox for 'Purchase Confirmation Dialog' is switched OFF.

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NOTE: . If the Preferences checkbox for "Purchase Confirmation Dialog" is switched OFF, purchases below 250K credits would not show any 'Purchase Alert' popup at all. . And with "Purchase Confirmation Dialog" switched ON, purchases below 250K credits would show the 'Purchase Alert' but WITHOUT the 5-second delay.
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Side note on objections and feasibility:
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You know this isn't a bad ideal,, I mean it would help out everyone,,, "Except the seller who IS trying to scam other players" ... I like it
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anonnn
03.05.2015 , 06:54 AM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by gbrumback View Post
Sure, you get the devs to to ...
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Your entire post was BS, it's nothing but bad perception and bad contrived perspective. Trying to pose the concept of 'Freedom Of Speech' onto your side of the argument you insist on continuing. Ridiculous.

It's the same as other troll posts that people such as yourself keep posting ... a strawman argument, followed by fake threats of players quitting the game, followed by pretending GTN buyer protection is adequate despite major GTN accidents, followed by further inane hyperbole and character assassination. You must really think the game developer is your little puppet. Will you ever stop the complete BS?

With ALL this thread's grandstanded objections to such a simple and minimally obtrusive suggestion, the argument against this suggestion amounts to very little. Especially since none of the objections have factored in a consideration for other players or the severity of the problem needing to be fixed.

My voice is close to the only voice of reason found here.
Boring conversation anyway.
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anonnn
03.05.2015 , 07:28 AM | #196
The next thing on the Troll Wheel Of Shame is likely to be
yet more victim bashing. . Wait for it ... !

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Boring conversation anyway.
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gbrumback
03.05.2015 , 08:12 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
My voice is close to the only voice of reason found here.
That is something else that we could debate for the next century. There are tools in place already to prevent being preyed upon, the only catch is that people have to use them. As the old saying goes, 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." The same applies here, 'you can give people the tools, but you can't make them use them." You are NOT a victim if you chose not to use the tools BW provided you. So, therefore, there can be no victim bashing.

Buying stuff on the GTN is just like buying it in real life. Don't buy the first one you see, shop just a little. Since we are talking high dollar items, let's use cars. Do you go to just one dealership and buy the car you want? Or, do you go to a couple to see which one will give you the best deal? I'll bet on going to a couple. Do you expect the first dealer to ask, "Are you sure you want to buy this car? It costs a lot of money. Why don't you think about it for a few days and come back." Personally, I would care if they had the best price, they wouldn't get my business at that point.

You want protection, I understand that. But if you just use the very, very simply tools BW gave us you WILL be protected. Again, this discussion revolves around personal responsibility. I did say I have made a mistake on the GTN in the past. Did I whine endlessly on the forums? Nope, I went, "Ah shucks, should have paid more attention," and moved on with my life. I took responsibility that I made a mistake, and I learned from said mistake. I am seeing this trend more and more in real life, and it is bleeding into the gaming world. It's not my fault... If someone would've stopped me... and so on. It is never someone's fault, it is always the fault of <insert scapegoat here>. Maybe I am just a little old fashioned, and old, but if you screw up learn from it and move on.

McDonald's didn't make you fat.
Coca-Cola/Pepsi did not make you diabetic.
Budweiser/Coors/Jim Beam did not make you an alcoholic.
Verizon/Sprint/AT&T did not make you run over someone while texting and driving.

The same is true here, nobody made you buy a thing off the GTN. Nobody stopped you from using the available confirmation box/price limit/price sort. If you overpay for something on the GTN it is YOUR fault. Not mine, not the seller's, not the Dev's, not the President of the United States. It is YOUR fault, plain and simple, end of story.
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azudelphi
03.05.2015 , 09:40 AM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
You must digress, the compromise is all yours to be made... the suggestion is here to view and changing it just defeats the function of it. You simply refuse to make even the slightest compromise whatsoever and are over-stating what the impact would be on your gameplay to make it seem compelling to avoid upsetting you by implementing this suggestion.
See, this is confusing. You're basically saying, you want all people who disagree with the concept of a mandatory inconvenience to compromise and accept the inconvenience. But when they propose an idea that would allow themselves to opt out manually, you have been unwilling to compromise. At the end of the day, if a player accepts the risks, they should not have an inconvenience forced on them. So, why won't you compromise either? You don't have to assure 100% protection with this suggestion. If it can be implemented in a way that the general player-base accepts through a compromise on your end, then that's a net positive and you should be happy.

Quote: Originally Posted by Legolose View Post
You know this isn't a bad ideal,, I mean it would help out everyone,,, "Except the seller who IS trying to scam other players" ... I like it
I am fairly confident 99% of players would not be helped. They would merely be annoyed by making a GTN purchase have a wait period they can't avoid.

Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
What's more severe? Having to wait an extra 3 seconds on your expensive GTN purchases, or losing MILLIONS of credits in a GTN accident? Stop being so thick-headed and selfish.
For the majority of players who will never lose millions of credits in a GTN mistake, they are in no way assisted. They are however, assured to be inconvenienced.

So, the "positive" severity of a non-event is obviously less than the "negative" severity of a guaranteed event.

Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
The next thing on the Troll Wheel Of Shame is likely to be
yet more victim bashing. . Wait for it ... !
Feeling that a player is ultimately accountable for each button press they make in the game is not bashing a victim.

A player has to interrupt certain abilities or they will be instantly killed. Does that mean there should be a mandatory pop-up that doesn't allow the player to do anything until they interupt?
A player typically has 6-8 main abilities in their rotation. Does that mean there should be a mandatory pop-up if they use an ability outside their standard rotation?
There are cliffs you can jump off in the game. Does that mean there should be a mandatory pop-up that doesn't allow movement within a few meters of a cliff?

The answer to those questions is obviously "No." There are many things a player can do that are considered "mistakes", "accidents", etc that have some form of cost associated with them.
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So I beg the question, why is the GTN any different from every other form of gameplay?
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DOHboy
03.05.2015 , 09:43 AM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by Legolose View Post
You know this isn't a bad ideal,, I mean it would help out everyone,,, "Except the seller who IS trying to scam other players" ... I like it
sure, its a fix for a problem that doesn't exist. If there is any such problem, it would exist solely between keyboard and chair.

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Daewan
03.05.2015 , 11:45 AM | #200
In a previous, similar thread, I suggested that a Jawa pops up anytime you overpay on the GTN (based on current available prices) and hit you in the head with a giant sign that says "DON'T BE SO STUPID" or something similar. I told a friend about this new thread, and they had a suggestion to improve on that suggestion: If you overpay at the GTN more than once, there should be a chance that a tribe of Jawas appears out of nowhere and kidnaps you, taking you to Tatooine to be sold to a Hutt. This would prevent you from ever spending your own credits ever again.

P. S. If the OP really wants to collect the 6 million for posting disagreement, I have characters on Harbinger and both NA RP servers. I'll need 24 hours to get the money together, depending on how inattentive the current buying market is.
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