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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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MusicRider
02.08.2015 , 03:47 PM | #621
Quote: Originally Posted by magnashear View Post
Seems like you know already. I responded cuz I thought someone was genuinely asking for advice. Seems like u may be trolling. White dmg is a viable counter to shroud. Most ppl aren't going to pop shroud and deflection at the same time.
Yes I did know, but asking questions to move a conversation forward has always been a popular and effective way of discussing a topic. The most famous person of employing it was Socrates and I don't think he was a troll. Anyway, my question was originally aimed at someone who is coming across as a know it all. You unlike him you are brave to admit if you don't something. Hopefully reading the link I provided you now understand the mechanics and this will help you on your gameplay.

Also regarding your last comment. Just because most people are doing something it doesn't necessarily mean it is right. It is generally correct not to overlap your dcds, but in the case of shroud and deflection, these two serve independent goals from each other. There is nothing wrong when overlapping them if the situation requires to do so.

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Damedius
02.08.2015 , 05:33 PM | #622
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
No, it doesn't. Go find someone that's actually good.
Yes we know you're the best player evah. All you do is tell us that day after day.

Does this mean you decided to resub?

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Rabbitfoot
02.08.2015 , 06:15 PM | #623
3 years of sins with a lot of utility but poor damage makes people used to seeiing the class that way. Now the same utility is still there but with good damage on top of that. Since I haven't played in the 60 bracket yet I can't talk about how it is there, but in the <50 bracket it's fine from what I can tell. It probably needs some balanancing around the utility but what I can say for certain is that since people have learned to to view the assassin class as it has been and it's changed a lot people react to that. I find it interesting that a lot of people are saying that they kill quite a few sins without too much difficulty and most everyone seems to just ignore that. More than a few have said in this discussion that you need to evolve and learn how the sin is now.

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Exosasa
02.08.2015 , 06:17 PM | #624
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterFeign View Post
I don't know what people are talking about, my tankassin destorys hatred every time.
9 seconds total, 5 on normal shroud and 4 on the cloak. That was total time... no one should be using them chained together.

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DrWeebs
02.08.2015 , 06:38 PM | #625
Quote: Originally Posted by BenjtheFox View Post
Thanks for that. One question though; are you bothering to get Ranked Commendations to have access to the best PVP gear? Because don't you need to put in the time and effort to get to Valor 40 to be able to purchase those?
Valor 40 doesn't take long. If you max out your comms prior to 60 including ranked comms by converting, you should already be valor 40.
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DrWeebs
02.08.2015 , 06:43 PM | #626
Quote: Originally Posted by magnashear View Post
Lol. So meta game, 4 best sins v 4 best sorcs, u think the sins would win overwhelmingly? My money is on the sorcs. They have way too much dmg, range, self heals, self cleanses and defense. It probably wouldn't even be close.
There's a reason people are not running 3 sorcs, and they are running 3 assassins instead. If you solely had 4 DPS matches of sorcs vs sins, I could see the sorcs making it tough by spreading out in a square formation and not allowing any AOE dot-spread. However, all the sins would have to do is quadruple open from stealth on one sorc and they will be forced to barrier immediately. The stealth advantage is immense in this match-up. If one of them starts getting bursted by the other 3 sorcs, pop shroud, cloak, gg. Could even just phase walk and save the cloak for later if they're smart about the placement. In theory if the sins wanted to go all-in, they could all open on the sorc, force barrier, then cloak, wait til barrier is done, and re-open on same sorc and they're globaled. Then it's already a 4 on 3, and shroud is just way too strong against sorcs. The sorcs can't kite the sins, bc sins have the same force slow, overload bind, electrocute stun, and our forced speed is actually 0.5s longer than sorc. The ability to taunt the sorcs while they pick one target to burst down is also very strong. I just really don't see how a well coordinated 4 sins couldn't whittle down 4 sorcs one at a time without a whole lot of threat.
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magnashear
02.08.2015 , 08:24 PM | #627
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
There's a reason people are not running 3 sorcs, and they are running 3 assassins instead. If you solely had 4 DPS matches of sorcs vs sins, I could see the sorcs making it tough by spreading out in a square formation and not allowing any AOE dot-spread. However, all the sins would have to do is quadruple open from stealth on one sorc and they will be forced to barrier immediately. The stealth advantage is immense in this match-up. If one of them starts getting bursted by the other 3 sorcs, pop shroud, cloak, gg. Could even just phase walk and save the cloak for later if they're smart about the placement. In theory if the sins wanted to go all-in, they could all open on the sorc, force barrier, then cloak, wait til barrier is done, and re-open on same sorc and they're globaled. Then it's already a 4 on 3, and shroud is just way too strong against sorcs. The sorcs can't kite the sins, bc sins have the same force slow, overload bind, electrocute stun, and our forced speed is actually 0.5s longer than sorc. The ability to taunt the sorcs while they pick one target to burst down is also very strong. I just really don't see how a well coordinated 4 sins couldn't whittle down 4 sorcs one at a time without a whole lot of threat.
I think a sorc can survive that opening burst without barrier. There regular shield, self heals, and purge and maybe just one cross heal will negate it. I hear ppl saying death field crits 4 10k but it doesnt. Hatred isn't hitting anybody 2018 with anything for much more than 8k unless they have some major debuffs on them and you don't start the match debuffed. The hyperbole is OP

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magnashear
02.08.2015 , 08:29 PM | #628
The 4 sin teams are capable of a much deadlier opening than I've seen in the videos though. I'm not gonna share it , don't wanna give any ideas if they haven't figured it yet. There will really be cries for nerfs then.

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DrWeebs
02.08.2015 , 09:34 PM | #629
Quote: Originally Posted by magnashear View Post
I think a sorc can survive that opening burst without barrier.
The answer is no they cannot. What you said is nice and all, but you can't do that if you're stunlocked/kiting while slowed. Within 3 GCD's you have 8 dots on you and are being hit by 4 deathfields/assassinates (sometimes dots proc assassinate immediately). They're going to barrier or die. Sorry. I don't think you play much ranked PVP if you actually think 4 sorcs vs 4 hatred sins of equal skill even has a chance.
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Hei_Atzfel
02.08.2015 , 09:50 PM | #630
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
The answer is no they cannot. What you said is nice and all, but you can't do that if you're stunlocked/kiting while slowed. Within 3 GCD's you have 8 dots on you and are being hit by 4 deathfields/assassinates (sometimes dots proc assassinate immediately). They're going to barrier or die. Sorry. I don't think you play much ranked PVP if you actually think 4 sorcs vs 4 hatred sins of equal skill even has a chance.
This, pretty much. The few times I go Hatred I'm generally able to force sorcs into barrier by myself within a very short time, like 5 globals max if I'm allowed to stay on target. With a full group of sins on one sorc? Yeah good luck mang.