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Option to hide/prevent others from inspecting your gear.

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HeatRacer
06.24.2014 , 02:57 PM | #71
Terrible idea, not just for raids, but also for PVP. It's very helpful to know if a teammate is woefully under-/inappropriately geared so you can plan tactics accordingly, like, not leaving them alone to guard a node. And using Inspect, I've found people who didn't know how to gear properly and was able to give tips on how they can up their bolstered stats.

As someone else already posted, this suggestion has no use except for the special snowflakes who think that having an unknown piece of gear will make their epeen bigger, or for people who are undergeared and want to be carried.

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Joradan
06.24.2014 , 04:49 PM | #72
Real simple way to avoid all that complaining would be to just have it unavailable when qued for PVP or FPs.

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TheJjakkal
02.07.2015 , 02:03 AM | #73
lol.... ugh.

I'm sorry.. But I HAVE to resurrect this thread. For starters, I find it funny that none of the posts can simply just answer the OP's question (Which I was researching when I happened along this pool of idiocy). Secondly, like... really? Either majority of the people playing SWTOR during 2014, never played any other MMO, ever.. OR they're just beyond ignorant.

I dunno about yall, but I've played many MMOS and all either do not have the option to inspect or there is an option to not allow inspection. I find it hilarious that the OP's simple question merited 8 pages of bandwagon haters and really bad trolls..

...Talk about sheep :P
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theUndead
02.07.2015 , 03:35 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by TheJjakkal View Post
lol.... ugh.

I'm sorry.. But I HAVE to resurrect this thread. For starters, I find it funny that none of the posts can simply just answer the OP's question (Which I was researching when I happened along this pool of idiocy). Secondly, like... really? Either majority of the people playing SWTOR during 2014, never played any other MMO, ever.. OR they're just beyond ignorant.

I dunno about yall, but I've played many MMOS and all either do not have the option to inspect or there is an option to not allow inspection. I find it hilarious that the OP's simple question merited 8 pages of bandwagon haters and really bad trolls..

...Talk about sheep :P
What sheep? People were disagreeing with the OP how on earth does that make them haters? Myself, I think it it's a stupid idea and would do more harm than good in the long run. But again that is just my opinion and that does not make me or anyone else in this thread a hater.
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Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
As theUndead mentioned, I can't exactly spell out all of our policies in depth, but that should hopefully cover your concerns.

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TheJjakkal
02.07.2015 , 04:15 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by theUndead View Post
What sheep? People were disagreeing with the OP how on earth does that make them haters? Myself, I think it it's a stupid idea and would do more harm than good in the long run. But again that is just my opinion and that does not make me or anyone else in this thread a hater.
Like.. You JUST proved my point. If you read.. (Is this a new thing? People not reading/comprehending?) I stated that it's basically not uncommon for there to be an option to decline inspection. I ALSO explained that most MMOs have the option to decline inspection or simply do not allow/support/implement the feature.

READ!

I'm not sure how it could cause issues in the long run.. But personally, I would prefer if people didn't see my stats or gears name. As the OP mentioned, It would make you (the player) have to use your OWN brain and put some actual thought into your stats/build and appearance. Apparently the OP and myself, are the only ones who like this, magical, unheard of, idea of people having to use their own brains and make choices..

Now that I think about it, suppose SWTOR kinda proves that in a way. Not like you have to put any thought into anything in SWTOR, other than your gear appearance, character customization, and light or dark options.

Thnx casuals~
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theUndead
02.07.2015 , 05:32 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by TheJjakkal View Post
Like.. You JUST proved my point. If you read.. (Is this a new thing? People not reading/comprehending?) I stated that it's basically not uncommon for there to be an option to decline inspection. I ALSO explained that most MMOs have the option to decline inspection or simply do not allow/support/implement the feature.

READ!

I'm not sure how it could cause issues in the long run.. But personally, I would prefer if people didn't see my stats or gears name. As the OP mentioned, It would make you (the player) have to use your OWN brain and put some actual thought into your stats/build and appearance. Apparently the OP and myself, are the only ones who like this, magical, unheard of, idea of people having to use their own brains and make choices..

Now that I think about it, suppose SWTOR kinda proves that in a way. Not like you have to put any thought into anything in SWTOR, other than your gear appearance, character customization, and light or dark options.

Thnx casuals~
Really casuals? You blame the lack of so called "privacy options" on casuals? My word. Oh I did not prove your point at all, please enlighten me to which games have a decline to inspect option because as far as I know there is only one and that is LOTRO.

Oh and if you feel so inclined to use different stats than what is needed to optimize yourself go ahead, I don't care either way. Just don't expect to be invited to a Raid without the proper stats. So yeah, you can have all the new weird stats and gear that your heart desires NO ONE is stopping you. But again don't expect to be invited to group content because if people can't inspect you and you drag people down, prepare to be kicked.

I love how people like you are so hung up on this choices thing, really it would seem that theme park games are not for you and you are better off in a sandbox. But believe me in order to be competitive or to achieve a character's maximum potential you do very much use your brain.

Another poster said this more eloquently but let's say for example they do this right? Say there is a call for a DP/DF run HM and a person in the group has this private mode toggled on and refuses to turn it off, exactly what does the raid do? If they kick the person they go to the fleet and accuse the group of being elitist thus it creates drama.

Now mind you that is just an example but is not correct?
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Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
As theUndead mentioned, I can't exactly spell out all of our policies in depth, but that should hopefully cover your concerns.

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therandyman
02.07.2015 , 08:23 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by ninjonxb View Post
The ONLY logical reason i can see that anyone would want this is if you are under geared and you were kicked for it.

However you deserve to be kicked if you are under geared for whatever you are doing.

If I could make an add-on that would go through everyones gear in flash points and raids and auto vote to kick if their gear is to low I would do it in a heart beat.
That is the exact reason I stopped doing any pugs.
Late to the thread, but...

Given that this is an issue for you, I think you have done exactly the right thing. Group with friends/guildmates and have fun!

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TheJjakkal
02.07.2015 , 10:29 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by theUndead View Post
Really casuals? You blame the lack of so called "privacy options" on casuals? My word. Oh I did not prove your point at all, please enlighten me to which games have a decline to inspect option because as far as I know there is only one and that is LOTRO.

Oh and if you feel so inclined to use different stats than what is needed to optimize yourself go ahead, I don't care either way. Just don't expect to be invited to a Raid without the proper stats. So yeah, you can have all the new weird stats and gear that your heart desires NO ONE is stopping you. But again don't expect to be invited to group content because if people can't inspect you and you drag people down, prepare to be kicked.

I love how people like you are so hung up on this choices thing, really it would seem that theme park games are not for you and you are better off in a sandbox. But believe me in order to be competitive or to achieve a character's maximum potential you do very much use your brain.

Another poster said this more eloquently but let's say for example they do this right? Say there is a call for a DP/DF run HM and a person in the group has this private mode toggled on and refuses to turn it off, exactly what does the raid do? If they kick the person they go to the fleet and accuse the group of being elitist thus it creates drama.

Now mind you that is just an example but is not correct?
Recap/Short version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s

Casuals/Carebears/Fair-weathers - All one in the same.. And they tend to PvE mostly. Which is content. Which is money in Biowares pocket.. So yes, because people who only have 1-2 hrs to play, WANT to play this game and complain enough about not being able to at convenience to their schedules... we have no options/mechanics such as: Decline Player Preview OR Open World PvP incentive OR Faction Jumping Lock-out timers.. Therefore, catering to casuals/carebears/fair-weathers. Simple business, really. I want money>You give me money if I cater to your needs/wants>I'm sure as h*** going to cater to your needs/wants>I make money>Repeat.

LOTRO.. LOTRO is no "amazing" feat to the MMO world. In its time, it was pretty good, but definitely nothing classified as competitive.. But, apparently PvE is "challenging" to you. However, SWTOR and just about anything after Warhammer Online, either had the option to decline inspect OR the ability to preview, simply wasn't implemented (WHICH I F***ING STATED....AGAIN). To truly understand why you would think that a decline inspection option wasn't uncommon, I would need to know your full MMO background (MMOs you've played from 4-5 months to a year +), so that I can know exactly why you would ever think it's a "stupid" idea. But, I'm gathering from your reply and mention of LOTRO, that you've not had much of an experience at all and certainly don't want to put any real effort into a game, aside from controlling your character..

DAoC and AoC are some older games that were legit as h***. Then Warhammer Online, Aion, GW2.. F*** even WoW! Lets not forget Eve (for you weirdos out there). These MMOs required actual thought! Like... I really feel like I'm getting looked at badly by a mentally handicapped person, right now. Or like I'm explaining that there is more than what's in a book that tells you what you should do in everything in life, to a Christian.. That's the exact feeling I get when I read your reply. Like.. this is what games have come to? These are the people, we competitive players and dedicated theory crafters, allow to play MMOs along side us? Seriously?

This is what you're telling me: You're saying that you have little to no experience in any quality game that's come out since 2007 (2 years before I started battling carebears like you in these very forums). There have been many.. quality MMOs since then. CHALLENGING MMOs, even. You're telling me that I have to get the "Tank" gear because... it's called "Tank" gear. Do you know if my build is viable? And that's just it, you mention PvE. Well h***, from what I've seen, yall can't even do that right! Personally, I don't seem to have any issues in any roll within any "dungeon" and I've NEVER picked "Tank" gear, because it says so or "that's what you're supposed to do". I've even pulled aggro (without taunts) and no mods in pieces of my gear. PvE is THAT easy. THUS the reason why I would prefer a decline inspection option. YOU need to learn how to be ME, not the other way around.. And I certainly don't want to allow you to be me.

You then imply that you think that you know what the differences are between a Theme Park game and a Sandbox, as if this were any kind of comparison. The key term here is "MMORPG". And I swear to the Gods, if you make me have to define what an MMORPG is to you LMAO!! ......I will lose it. But allow me to make a like comparison/suggestion to you.. Maybe you would enjoy any of the Zelda games. That's apparently the extent of your skill cap and you imply you prefer to be govern by a direct path..

Also.. I would NEVER join your ops group after gathering this conclusion of your skill cap and thoughts on SWTOR. Because to make SWTOR (any game) competitive and challenging, not govern by a rail, where you don't necessarily have to get the "Tank" gear to "optimize" your build....we would need to purge the casuals/carebears/fair-weathers, like yourself, from community. SWTOR could be so much more than OPs and WZs, but people with your mindset have ruined it. H***, look at launch patch notes (if you didn't play then) and compare the changes to what we're currently playing.. SWTOR has been "dumbed down". Much like the WoW people, who love to say, "Vanilla was so much better..". It's the SAME difference.

Ask yourself, what kind of state would your current server be in if any of the following where ever to be in SWTOR:
- Decline Preview Option
- Lock-out timer on faction jumping
- Loot incentive to Open World PvP (Oh.. wait.. there was, but that was ruined too, now wasn't it..)

Recap/Short version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s
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Kalfear
02.07.2015 , 04:07 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by burningcurse View Post
It would be convenient if we had the option to prevent other players from inspecting your character to see gear etc.
I gotta admit I have never understood this concern about people inspecting gear?

Yes I know some elitists take gear score way to serious and become serious A holes about gear

but on the flip side (as we saw with 12x XP) some lazy players don't take it serious enough and expect others to just carry them through the content

Personally I've never ran into a issue with people inspecting my gear and being negative (but I have a personal standard for each character I feel I must achieve BEFORE I enter group play where gear important)

I have ignored a few people for being overly insane on the gear standards and ignored a equal amount of players for coming into 55 content in level 15 gear (was big issue in 12x XP days)

But as for inspecting, I have inspected people when I see a outfit that really appeals to me and want to see what it is. Wish I could inspect companions as well as more often then not thats the outfits that jump out to me.

I think not being able to inspect someone would be absolutely insane change

The gear slackers and A holes are not common enough either way to change the whole system because of some bad apples.
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theUndead
02.07.2015 , 05:04 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by TheJjakkal View Post
Recap/Short version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s

Casuals/Carebears/Fair-weathers - All one in the same.. And they tend to PvE mostly. Which is content. Which is money in Biowares pocket.. So yes, because people who only have 1-2 hrs to play, WANT to play this game and complain enough about not being able to at convenience to their schedules... we have no options/mechanics such as: Decline Player Preview OR Open World PvP incentive OR Faction Jumping Lock-out timers.. Therefore, catering to casuals/carebears/fair-weathers. Simple business, really. I want money>You give me money if I cater to your needs/wants>I'm sure as h*** going to cater to your needs/wants>I make money>Repeat.

LOTRO.. LOTRO is no "amazing" feat to the MMO world. In its time, it was pretty good, but definitely nothing classified as competitive.. But, apparently PvE is "challenging" to you. However, SWTOR and just about anything after Warhammer Online, either had the option to decline inspect OR the ability to preview, simply wasn't implemented (WHICH I F***ING STATED....AGAIN). To truly understand why you would think that a decline inspection option wasn't uncommon, I would need to know your full MMO background (MMOs you've played from 4-5 months to a year +), so that I can know exactly why you would ever think it's a "stupid" idea. But, I'm gathering from your reply and mention of LOTRO, that you've not had much of an experience at all and certainly don't want to put any real effort into a game, aside from controlling your character..

DAoC and AoC are some older games that were legit as h***. Then Warhammer Online, Aion, GW2.. F*** even WoW! Lets not forget Eve (for you weirdos out there). These MMOs required actual thought! Like... I really feel like I'm getting looked at badly by a mentally handicapped person, right now. Or like I'm explaining that there is more than what's in a book that tells you what you should do in everything in life, to a Christian.. That's the exact feeling I get when I read your reply. Like.. this is what games have come to? These are the people, we competitive players and dedicated theory crafters, allow to play MMOs along side us? Seriously?

This is what you're telling me: You're saying that you have little to no experience in any quality game that's come out since 2007 (2 years before I started battling carebears like you in these very forums). There have been many.. quality MMOs since then. CHALLENGING MMOs, even. You're telling me that I have to get the "Tank" gear because... it's called "Tank" gear. Do you know if my build is viable? And that's just it, you mention PvE. Well h***, from what I've seen, yall can't even do that right! Personally, I don't seem to have any issues in any roll within any "dungeon" and I've NEVER picked "Tank" gear, because it says so or "that's what you're supposed to do". I've even pulled aggro (without taunts) and no mods in pieces of my gear. PvE is THAT easy. THUS the reason why I would prefer a decline inspection option. YOU need to learn how to be ME, not the other way around.. And I certainly don't want to allow you to be me.

You then imply that you think that you know what the differences are between a Theme Park game and a Sandbox, as if this were any kind of comparison. The key term here is "MMORPG". And I swear to the Gods, if you make me have to define what an MMORPG is to you LMAO!! ......I will lose it. But allow me to make a like comparison/suggestion to you.. Maybe you would enjoy any of the Zelda games. That's apparently the extent of your skill cap and you imply you prefer to be govern by a direct path..

Also.. I would NEVER join your ops group after gathering this conclusion of your skill cap and thoughts on SWTOR. Because to make SWTOR (any game) competitive and challenging, not govern by a rail, where you don't necessarily have to get the "Tank" gear to "optimize" your build....we would need to purge the casuals/carebears/fair-weathers, like yourself, from community. SWTOR could be so much more than OPs and WZs, but people with your mindset have ruined it. H***, look at launch patch notes (if you didn't play then) and compare the changes to what we're currently playing.. SWTOR has been "dumbed down". Much like the WoW people, who love to say, "Vanilla was so much better..". It's the SAME difference.

Ask yourself, what kind of state would your current server be in if any of the following where ever to be in SWTOR:
- Decline Preview Option
- Lock-out timer on faction jumping
- Loot incentive to Open World PvP (Oh.. wait.. there was, but that was ruined too, now wasn't it..)

Recap/Short version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s
So in order to make a point you have to insult me. Great. So let me see if I understand you correctly, according to you people who accept the game as is and do not necessarily want drastic changes are somehow bad? Am I getting it right? I also know what an MMO is and my point about a sandbox vs a theme park does run true. I said that because all the things you mentioned about xp locks, faction swapping etc I feel would better suited to a game like for example SWG.

Also I know damn well what a casual is, and I am NOT a casual. I raid twice a week, do PvP, level and other stuff as well. I have spent more money on this game than ANY other game I have played. Do not assume you know me or my so called mind set. It makes you sound arrogant.

Oh you would not join my raid group? Pah I would not even invite you to begin with. Your elitist attitude and unwillingness to listen to ANY point of view besides your own, yeah no I would not waste my time. I have no idea why you made this personal but yes I have played many other MMO's prior to this one and they're lack of or having the ability to inspect was never ever a reason to play or not to play those games. Speaking of which my MMO history is: EQ, Aion, AOC, WoW, ESO, SWTOR.

Don't presume to know me or what I have played. You really seem to presume much, you say my skill cap is limited, have you played in any of my games? Do you know me? If not then keep your mouth shut till you do. Now your last paragraph you mentioned things like not using tank stats or how you would have to "purge" casuals to make the game harder again. I don't know if you blind, but this game is the very definition of casual and that is how most folks like it. If you don't then leave, it is quite simple.

However if you do want to be competitive in this game, there is space for that too. Why can't there be both? Why must every game require so much to be fun?
But don't come and dictate what how others should treat or play games. This is a casual friendly game. Deal with it and more importantly why don't you try to help others be better at the game instead of talking down to anyone who disagrees with you.
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Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
As theUndead mentioned, I can't exactly spell out all of our policies in depth, but that should hopefully cover your concerns.