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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Trevor_the_Bruce
02.06.2015 , 01:31 PM | #581
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
Bioware is too understaffed or just plain incompetent to ever get pvp close to being right.
Apparently you must have a short memory cause in the past (patch 2.7) pvp was pretty well balanced, but go ahead and keep saying that BW doesn't know how to balance pvp. I'm sure you'll convince noobs that your right.

People will always run the fotm and that causes people to complain incessantly about pvp imbalance, BW nerf's the heck out of said class and then people just head on to the next class people rave about and it becomes the fotm. Hatred Sins have had their spot light as the FotM but beleive me it won't last long. People forget that this class used to be horrible. The nice thing about the Discipline system is that it will be easier to make balance changes and i think sometime soon we will get close to what we had in 2.7. How about you be patient and wait for changes to classes coming in the next couple patches before saying people don't know how to do their jobs. BW does listen to the pvp community (just recently look at what happened to the Shoulder Cannon nerf).

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MotorCityMan
02.06.2015 , 01:59 PM | #582
Quote: Originally Posted by Trevor_the_Bruce View Post
Apparently you must have a short memory cause in the past (patch 2.7) pvp was pretty well balanced, but go ahead and keep saying that BW doesn't know how to balance pvp. I'm sure you'll convince noobs that your right.

People will always run the fotm and that causes people to complain incessantly about pvp imbalance, BW nerf's the heck out of said class and then people just head on to the next class people rave about and it becomes the fotm. Hatred Sins have had their spot light as the FotM but beleive me it won't last long. People forget that this class used to be horrible. The nice thing about the Discipline system is that it will be easier to make balance changes and i think sometime soon we will get close to what we had in 2.7. How about you be patient and wait for changes to classes coming in the next couple patches before saying people don't know how to do their jobs. BW does listen to the pvp community (just recently look at what happened to the Shoulder Cannon nerf).
No I have a long memory. From unkillable sorcs at launch to being nerfed into being everyone's favorite easy kill for over two years. From watching mercs being spam gods to being everyone's whipping boy. The bolster fiasco which continued into 3.0. Nerfing OS into oblivion. To now nerfing shoulder cannon to the tune of over 80% dps reduction. And the idiocy marches on.

Your post is a study in irony in that you start out naming one point in time where you felt the classes were balanced, and then proceed to outline Bioware's pattern of nerfing classes into unplayable messes and creating FoTM classes causing people to constantly have to change classes. In fact your post is a pretty good summation of their incompetency.

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Trevor_the_Bruce
02.06.2015 , 03:15 PM | #583
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
No I have a long memory. From unkillable sorcs at launch to being nerfed into being everyone's favorite easy kill for over two years. From watching mercs being spam gods to being everyone's whipping boy. The bolster fiasco which continued into 3.0. Nerfing OS into oblivion. To now nerfing shoulder cannon to the tune of over 80% dps reduction. And the idiocy marches on.

Your post is a study in irony in that you start out naming one point in time where you felt the classes were balanced, and then proceed to outline Bioware's pattern of nerfing classes into unplayable messes and creating FoTM classes causing people to constantly have to change classes. In fact your post is a pretty good summation of their incompetency.
You were saying that BW never even gets close to getting it right, and I told you that pre 3.0 they in fact did get balance to almost perfect in 2.7. BW is very capable of applying changes to make things more balanced. 3.0 came a couple months ago, and we haven't even gotten to 3.1 yet to see class balance changes, and that we have Disciplines now really makes everything prior to 3.0 inconsequential, but the fact that they could balance pvp with the skill tree system in 2.7 gives me confindence that they can do the same post 3.0. How about being patient and waiting to see what they do before calling them incompetent and unable to even get close to balancing pvp, because they have in the past and it will be easier to do in the future due to Disciplines.

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DarthOvertone
02.06.2015 , 03:26 PM | #584
Quote: Originally Posted by AxeDragoneth View Post
I know how to fix Hatred Sin!

Nerf Pyro PT.
Ask from the BW Devs and you shall receive. You got your wish in 3.1.1.

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MotorCityMan
02.06.2015 , 03:47 PM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by Trevor_the_Bruce View Post
You were saying that BW never even gets close to getting it right, and I told you that pre 3.0 they in fact did get balance to almost perfect in 2.7. BW is very capable of applying changes to make things more balanced. 3.0 came a couple months ago, and we haven't even gotten to 3.1 yet to see class balance changes, and that we have Disciplines now really makes everything prior to 3.0 inconsequential, but the fact that they could balance pvp with the skill tree system in 2.7 gives me confindence that they can do the same post 3.0. How about being patient and waiting to see what they do before calling them incompetent and unable to even get close to balancing pvp, because they have in the past and it will be easier to do in the future due to Disciplines.
In your opinion 2.7 was perfect. What you mean is, it was ok for your most played class. Snip/slingers/ mercs/mandos were still dredges in arena. Sniper class board has had the same suggestions/frustrations posted for over 2 years, same goes for mercs. So no it was far from perfect.. And no they won't get it right, ever. Not to mention they have flat out ignored or said no to the most asked for features for pvp, which is cross server queuing, some sort of matchmaking and being able to exceed the 8 man limit for teams and more open world pvp.

I used to get dailies done on 4 chars, took a couple of hours. Now I am lucky if I get a weekly done on one char in a month, and play other games. Only reason I stay around is commitments I made to the guild, but those are evaporating quickly as people leave the game.

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Damedius
02.06.2015 , 03:59 PM | #586
Hatred Sins are so OP that in a 4v4 match against 4 sorcs they lose.

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magnashear
02.06.2015 , 04:02 PM | #587
Quote: Originally Posted by MusicRider View Post
Well since you got involved let me ask you the same question then. Can you please tell me what white damage is? And also as a sorc do you suggest then I should rebind and use my saber strikes?
Sorcs don't have white dmg. If u happen to be on a sorc your best bet is to wait while the rest do white dmg on the sin. Be ready to stun as soon as shroud fades . This will prevent him from popping any other dcd while you and your team finish the kill

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magnashear
02.06.2015 , 04:09 PM | #588
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
No. A sorc is a good target choice even before the requirement to be shut down.
It currently adds to the choice but it would be hardly any different if sorcs did no damage at all.
Over 50 percent of ranked arena matches have more than 1 sorc. If there is a pt mara or merc than a sorc is usually a bad choice for 1st target. This coupled with multiple sorcs in matches means there are lots of storms going off. Force storm is viable. Casting force storm on top of your team mate that is being focused is also a very viable stratagy.

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Evolixe
02.06.2015 , 04:26 PM | #589
Quote: Originally Posted by magnashear View Post
Over 50 percent of ranked arena matches have more than 1 sorc. If there is a pt mara or merc than a sorc is usually a bad choice for 1st target. This coupled with multiple sorcs in matches means there are lots of storms going off. Force storm is viable. Casting force storm on top of your team mate that is being focused is also a very viable stratagy.
Yeah......

Not really. But I'm tired of argueing already so whatever. Believe what you will, a sorc of any sorts wouldn't be even a mild threat to my team i'll tell you that much.
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Taerrik
02.06.2015 , 04:44 PM | #590
I dont know if anyone remembers the carolina parakeet spec or not, but I feel that may have been a little more ridiculous than hatred sins