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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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headshot_hendo
02.03.2015 , 12:46 PM | #421
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
Have you ever played an MMO before? Go look at any ranked season of WoW, and the majority of successful teams will use very specific comps like the old shatterplay comp, god comp, jungle cleave etc. Certain classes will dominate in specific seasons due to imbalance. And WoW is the gold standard for arena play. SWTOR is not WoW, it is much worse. You may be a highly knowledgable player about SWTOR specifically, but you have just no clue about the meta of arenas in general and just how much class imbalance occurs in arena. They are so specific with only 4 v 4 small areas with no objectives, certain classes excel in that much moreso than others. In any part of any MMO, arena displays specific class imbalances more than any other part of the game. It is impossible to balance the game around arena, especially in a pve-centric game like SWTOR with low dev resources.
So vullesh dpsing on his concealment OP while I merc healed with a carnage mara didnt work at all last season? Or skillx merc healing or dpsing. Or ashwinnz healing or DPSing as a merc or mando? Specific classes dominate? Is this why double sniper has been cleaning house vs double hatred. Most the comps ive seen include a sniper in them. Hell I went against a sniper sorc combo that does well. 90% of the time we use a jugg dps or whoever is on whichever class at the time. Its called kickball. If you are good enough the toon doesnt matter.

Other players are plenty capable of doing it, but some mostly posters here, cant?
Seems along the lines of L2P without trying to sound like a dick.
Honestly ive heard players dont want to get better or roll alts they want to be successful on the toon they play. If that class is successful doesnt it just make it the next Hatred Sin?
If you dont want to get better or reroll why are you trying to do ranked? The purpose of ranked is a place where elite PVPers can face eachother and test their skill against eachother. If you are losing its because of your lack of either skill or motivation to gain skill regardless of class.

Each person that comments on merc survivability or operative survivability is completely clueless. You want more to make you more successful correct? If BW did that then you would be playing a Sin or Sorc with different ability animations, essentially running a sage.
Each class has a specific way it works to be successful. Some are more difficult than others, thats where the skill comes in.

Again the only exception is the sent/mara. The skill required for Merc may be to high for all but the select few and may need to be scaled but you are just dumbing down the class. You make it so you can stand there and freecast while tunneled, without a worry in the world. The class would require less kiting, thus less skill.

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Owynyo
02.03.2015 , 12:50 PM | #422
Quote: Originally Posted by Nightkin View Post
The fact that you take your info from a PvE parsing dummy.
It's hopeless with this guy.
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headshot_hendo
02.03.2015 , 01:20 PM | #423
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Stop being an ostrich and get your head out of the sand.

http://www.twitch.tv/itchyeyes05/b/607336334 2:20:00 onwards

And the most famous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG3neNy-DB8

I am sure these teams are looking forward to your insights.
Lol chuckles team just barely best double sniper. They cant just wade in and beat good teams.

Honest question why would you link a channel of my old guildy (WE ARE FARMERS) who has consistently had a top 3 team since he started?

These teams both are better than anyone on this thread myself included so I really dont understand the reference. Did you link them to prove my point about skill? Did you link them to show that they use double hatred which has lost to double MM sniper consistently until very recently?

My input for these teams is simple. They play strong comps to play other players who also play strong comps. Like on POT5 when chuckles went against double madness or madness lethality (top comps at the time) and beat them with a hardswitch comp. Or the pressure comps(deemed the strongest) getting clowned in the first minute to the bastion hardswap team that came here with a sniper (supposedly soft) and carnage mara.

Am I the only one here who has done team ranked? You adjust your comp to counter the other team. Has it never been this way for anyone else?

Honestly where do you guys get your info from? Solo que = team ranked to you? Other servers may be different but if classes here can do it why cant they on your server?

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DrWeebs
02.03.2015 , 01:24 PM | #424
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Lol chuckles team just barely best double sniper. They cant just wade in and beat good teams.

Honest question why would you link a channel of my old guildy (WE ARE FARMERS) who has consistently had a top 3 team since he started?

These teams both are better than anyone on this thread myself included so I really dont understand the reference. Did you link them to prove my point about skill? Did you link them to show that they use double hatred which has lost to double MM sniper consistently until very recently?

My input for these teams is simple. They play strong comps to play other players who also play strong comps. Like on POT5 when chuckles went against double madness or madness lethality (top comps at the time) and beat them with a hardswitch comp. Or the pressure comps(deemed the strongest) getting clowned in the first minute to the bastion hardswap team that came here with a sniper (supposedly soft) and carnage mara.

Am I the only one here who has done team ranked? You adjust your comp to counter the other team. Has it never been this way for anyone else?

Honestly where do you guys get your info from? Solo que = team ranked to you? Other servers may be different but if classes here can do it why cant they on your server?
Just listen to what you're saying. The population of skilled teams is so so so small in this game that you literally know the exact team and their comp that you're q'ing against. That's a ridiculously small sample size of the game that you're using to discuss balance. You're seriously deluded.
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Nightkin
02.03.2015 , 01:37 PM | #425
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Well I would respec to concealment and burst him down through shroud.
Haha really?
Whaaaaambulance at your service

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Devilk
02.03.2015 , 01:38 PM | #426
Might as well ride the train while it lasts.

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headshot_hendo
02.03.2015 , 01:49 PM | #427
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Haha really?
Talk to No-shades on harbinger he will straighten you out lol.

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Evolixe
02.03.2015 , 02:01 PM | #428
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Talk to No-shades on harbinger he will straighten you out lol.
You do realise that ALL damage Concealment does is Tech, right?
Meaning shroud = invincibility for the duration against everything you can do?

Well except for overload shot and snipe. But yeah, lol.


Gl "bursting through shroud" with concealment.
Shows how much of a clue you really have.
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Zoom_VI
02.03.2015 , 02:01 PM | #429
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Talk to No-shades on harbinger he will straighten you out lol.
I would love to hear how a concealment operative is supposed to burst a sin down through shroud considering their best non tech attack is overload shot.
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headshot_hendo
02.03.2015 , 02:05 PM | #430
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
Just listen to what you're saying. The population of skilled teams is so so so small in this game that you literally know the exact team and their comp that you're q'ing against. That's a ridiculously small sample size of the game that you're using to discuss balance. You're seriously deluded.
We know because we let each other know when we are queing and what comp we are using. Its because clowns like you dont form teams to give us variety. And even if you did and we beat you with the worst comp youd quit. How are we not supposed to know who ques? Lol class imbalance killed ranked? Sore losers who want instant success killed the que. Those who do que have taken their beats and gotten better not ran and hid in regs.

Talk about small sample sizes. You are complaining about 1 spec in 1 small (growing smaller) community. You sir are deluded. We should take all our advice from reg players who 80% of the time cant manage stims, buff themselves after death, and have no clue what min/maxing even means? Thats what should decide balance? Not the highest echelon of players who have taken the time to gain every advantage possible?
Honestly you may do well on your sin, its easy. So because Ashwinn who played merc last season and got 2800 rating on it in solo que higher than most sorcs maras PTs Juggs OPs that class is going to do well in team ranked? If that was the case why were there so few mercs in solo que. With how strong sorcs were last season why werent they used more? Why didnt everyone walk in with immunibubble and run the ranked ques?


Read your own words dude.