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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Trevor_the_Bruce
02.02.2015 , 02:55 PM | #401
I agree with the OP. The self heals from the DOT's needs to go away or at least be replaced with how it was pre 3.0, where you would only get heals when your dots crited. 20% of the damage healing you when a dot tick hits, is just way to much considering how fast they can spread their dots and also get back into stealth just as quick, providing them with heals and dps while getting away almost undetected. The dot heals are the main problem, and if that can be fixed, i think they'd be balanced.

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Evolixe
02.02.2015 , 03:03 PM | #402
Quote: Originally Posted by EnzoForMe View Post
No idea who you are. haven't seen you in the past 2 seasons of ranked on pot5 but come and school me anytime. The fact that you said "come to JC" is what made me lol. Server was fun in the days of 8s but it's a cesspool now.

My team played pretty much exclusively against double maddness sins or double pyro pt last season until they quit playing against us half way through the season with 1 team as an exception. It's nothing new.
Like I said, I've played on all servers. JC is just where my character is stationed now and it's not moving from there given the fact that my sub ends in 6 days and im not renewing it.
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Azurestone
02.02.2015 , 03:10 PM | #403
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
sub ends in 6 days and im not renewing it.
Sigh~ RIP another SWTOR vet

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BenjtheFox
02.02.2015 , 03:27 PM | #404
Quote: Originally Posted by Azurestone View Post
Sigh~ RIP another SWTOR vet
OP, did you see my question to you on the previous page?

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svensteen
02.02.2015 , 04:18 PM | #405
So much hate
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Zadtro
02.02.2015 , 07:44 PM | #406
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
Don't be jealous.
This is now going off topic.

Sin/shadow are OP. There are a few fixes needed, not sure what the devs are thinking at the moment but from what I can see season 4 is going to be just as boring as season 3. Last season was skank heals & tank/vigilance-vengeance. This season its going to be the same 3 classes and anyone who doesn't choose these classes will be at a big disadvantage and will probably loose which will lead to players becoming FoTM re-rollers or people just thinkg "Can't be arsed to lvl and gear another char, maybe i will pop back in next patch". I don't want this to happen but some serious balance is needed.

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DrWeebs
02.02.2015 , 08:06 PM | #407
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Idk you but im assuming you dont do team ranked. You might but most people who dont post toon names or guild names dont do team ranked.

Now maybe i didnt clarify this which was a huge oversight on my part and for that I apologize. Sin is very strong in solo que because idiots group up. Ive been beating 4 sin teams in solo que plenty. Team ranked it isnt OP. It is counterable. Regs are regs im more worried about the fact that sorcs do 5.2k dps without much effort. Its fluff damage but you can be suffocated by enough marshmallows.

It is strong, sin always has been. It is not however the most OP spec in history. It is a top dog atm because people arent figuring out how to best them. As a sin in the last 2 weeks as a stealth I take the most damage.

If you struggle focus them its that simple. Yes they have survivability and you wont win 1v1. What class beats sin 1v1 besides old OP jugg tank hybrid.

Honest question if everyone played mara and were killing mercs and snipers even though they are the weakest class would you whine about them?
Alot still would and thats the point. Its a popular class and people do not like popular classes regardless of OP or not. Prime example is sorcs. Sorcs were garbage forever and barely survived for the longest time. People still cried and complained that they were to strong while they had 0 defensives.
Same with snipers. Reg players cried that snipers were OP while they are the least mobile ranged class with ok defensives.

Its kinda how it goes. Strong becomes gamebreaking very quick in alot of unskilled players vocabularies. Same thing how lag becomes hacks very quick.

Interesting how the mind works yes?
But I'm a high skilled player and I still think it's OP and that's why I'm now maining the assassin I just powerleveled in a week. That's different than 50 average players whining about operatives bc they knock them down from stealth and have no idea how to counter it bc they're not very good...
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DrWeebs
02.02.2015 , 08:07 PM | #408
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Yes it is strong but not nerf worthy.

The biggest issue right now is the loss of cleanses.


Yes I want cleanses back. It adds skill to healing. You no longer just spam heal moves and kite.

We may be on the same page honestly but do any of you feel like regaining cleanses will balance things out?

(Has nothing to do with sin)
Yes. I 1000% absolutely agree with you. Healers need more cleanses. Don't give the cleanses to DPS/tank classes, make the game rely on the healers to cleanse. It will make healing much more interesting.
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Mandhi
02.03.2015 , 03:53 AM | #409
Quote: Originally Posted by DrWeebs View Post
I guess I targeted deflection because it is a major reason why assassins are so strong, particularly in 4v4. For example, as a sorc, I get stunned up and don't have any damage mitigation, only self-healing... am forced to "oh ****" kite a lot and it is easy to remove me as a threat. As an assassin, I pop out of stealth and if any sign of threat pop deflection and be cc immune and 50% damage reduction for 12s while I put massive pressure on the other team. It's not fun to go against an assassin who uses their DCD's well... it's a very tough match-up for anyone.
And u want remove cc immune from deflection? 1on1 with deception will be easier to kite then. Can u people nerf your hated hatred without a touching deception, cause it's really good right now - not more not less

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johanlofdahl
02.03.2015 , 05:16 AM | #410
Quote: Originally Posted by headshot_hendo View Post
Idk you but im assuming you dont do team ranked. You might but most people who dont post toon names or guild names dont do team ranked.

Now maybe i didnt clarify this which was a huge oversight on my part and for that I apologize. Sin is very strong in solo que because idiots group up. Ive been beating 4 sin teams in solo que plenty. Team ranked it isnt OP. It is counterable. Regs are regs im more worried about the fact that sorcs do 5.2k dps without much effort. Its fluff damage but you can be suffocated by enough marshmallows.
You're correct in your assessment that I am not involved in group ranked. Although my personal view is that I think balance should be around Solo-Q, I know alot of people think grouped ranked is highend and it should be balanced around it. Quite frankly this game doesnt have enough people to sustatin a healthy group-ranked population imo. So why balance around a few teams per server?
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