Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

I didn't post for 4 days because I was powerleveling an assassin from 0-60 in one week. I did it in less than 2.5 days /played. That takes focus, and I didn't read half of the threads on here (I didn't even realize it blew up so big).

I actually do see your point on snipers. It would be an interesting counter, especially on more open maps like tatooine, but maps like orbital they might have trouble due to LOS possibilities.

It is clear that nobody on this thread agrees with you... you're getting a lot of responses with disagreement. You must like that type of attention.

Most likely, neither of us is better than the other. The skill-cap in this game is extremely low once you get good at it. The 1.5s GCD makes sure of that.

All this chest-thumping about how OP someone is on an overpowered to begin with class..C'mon people; keep it in the realm of realism. Discuss realistic ways to bring it in line with others or buff the UP classes to viability. Gives me something to read while I'm at work anyway.

The original point of this thread was to not just say that this spec is OP, but it might be the most OP spec this game has ever seen. That was my original argument.

I have tried to explore that theory/opinion by powerleveling an assassin to 60 in a week and jumping right into pvp. My findings are that I completely dominate almost every match, whether it's ranked/regs, 4v4 or 8v8. I almost never lose on this toon. My other main 60 is a sorc, and I can pull high numbers sometimes, I can burst well from distance, have some good kiting tools, etc. But my actual effectiveness for changing fights and winning big teamfights/ranked 4v4's is far better on the assassin. I feel more effective than I ever have in this game, and I've played many specs, including 1.x conceal op, roflsmash, hybrid jugg, lethality sniper, 3.x lightning sorc that everyone complaints about as OP. I used to play at a fairly high level in this game when 8v8 ranked was here... and since still popped in and out and casually played 4's.

This without a doubt the most OP I have ever felt. Not even remotely close.

I agree other classes need buffs to come in line, but hatred also needs some moderate nerfs. I like the idea of dot spread, but healers need more abilities to cleanse their team of them, and I think either nerf hatred burst a bit (assassinate damage), or nerf deflection (it's 12s of 50% damage reduction and cc immunity with utility).

Why do you need to nerf the survivability? Its kinda what players asked for. TBH. I seem to remember people raging about resolve and "Stun Wars". I think giving everyone else immunity as well will make things better. The game wont rely on stuns anymore. It will rely on damage, hard swaps, focus, and skilled healing. Thats what I want if anything.

Now playing a Sin you cant honestly say it wouldnt be nice if all the other classes gained an immunity of the same caliber.

I have played PVP in every form since release, including the now dead ranked 8v8. Hatred assassins as they are now, are probably the most overpowered spec in the history of this game. The only things that come close are 1.0 conceal operatives that could global people out of stealth and were quickly nerfed 3-4x in each subsequent patch, 2.0 operative healers. Marauders in early 8v8 ranked were pretty OP, but nothing on the level of where hatred assassins are now.

To even try to argue that hatred assassins are not OP is ignorant at best, and otherwise dishonest.
They are capable of the top DPS in the game, pulling 3k+ DPS in warzones. This is fine, someone has to be the dop DPS parser in warzones and put out that pressure on the other team. However, the top DPS shouldn't also have the game's second best defensive CD's (2nd only to juggernaut) with 7s of force shroud available, deflect, CC immunity, combined with stealth/combat re-stealth, self-heals, force speed with CC breaker, extreme DOT pressure with assassinate ability.

No other spec in the history of the game has had the combination of survivability + damage + stealth. Not even remotely close.

PT/Sorc/Veng Jugg are all very strong specs, and honestly I think that's where the balance should be. Classes that are weaker than them need to be buffed. The only class that needs to be nerfed are hatred assassins. They have literally broken ranked warzones.

I am fine going against a PT who can blow me up in a matter of seconds because they have weaknesses that I can exploit. They are squishy and not very mobile. Oh, and they're not stealth. Sorcs are very killable, they are like fighting a piece of paper, and thundering blast is interruptable. They are also... not stealth. Juggernauts are tanky, but just make them blow their DCD's and they do NOT put out the type of damage pressure an assassin does, oh yea and they are not stealth.

More and more and more wz's are just full of assassins. I even considered being that guy and no-lifing an assassin up to 60 because they're just so so so strong right now. They are without a doubt the most OP PVP spec this game has ever had in its 3+ year history.

Hatred Assassins need to be nerfed for the good of the game.

Que ranked on harbinger ill give you my spot here if youd like. Up to you. You cant honestly claim you can beat people youve never faced.

Been there done that.

I've pretty much seen the entire playerbase as far as it goes for good players.
And there is not a single sniper who would even come halfway close to endangering me.

Besides, I have 280ms latency on the Harbinger. So thanks but no thanks.
You can come to JC, take any sniper you want along with you, and I will show you how to really play a sin.

Tehe.

Including you.