Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

1) Take your head out of his arse.

2) The problem with hatred is once you're even vaguely competent, you have to be asleep to not do insane amounts of damage compared to other classes with as much survivability/defensive utility. Hatred without the damage would be pointless, but the utilities are needed as deception. The solution isn't simply changing one thing like dotspread.

3) See point 1

BW is continuing their incredible run of great pvp moves by not balancing classes after a major spec change before S4. It's gonna be SinCity in ranked there is no denying that.

Just join arenas or a WZ now and you can see what people think is FoTM. When I left last May there'd be a few Sins with me at tops in a match or another 1 or 2 in arena. Now the pvp area is flooded with them, players that used to claim they were the best X class are now Sins. with 12x XP it allowed people to have classes ready to switch to for FoTM. Granted as with all jumpers most won't be nearly as good as those that have played the class forever yet I matches arent as fun when its the same classes every where.

Take a look at the Shadow/ Sin forums and all the questions from the rerolls who are clueless about what stats to use and abilities. Heck someone asked essentially what Lightning Charge is.

Anyone that thinks Sins aren't over tuned for the current meta game is either clueless, as seen by posts in this or the other thread, in particular those arguing with Evolixe who has a far better understanding of the meta then most players; or don't care about fun competitive games or they are being disingenuous, likely some are a mix of all 3.

Of course there is another small subset that truly believes nerfs should never happen and just buffs should occur to bring the weaker class specs up to the strongest one. But if you fall that line of thinking through you can see the flaw and TTK would reach CoD levels at some point.

The game's are better when there is a mixed balance of classes and this is on BW setup. Instead of sitting around with their thumbs up each others *** and not saying or doing **** it's time to get to it. They clearly cant handle adding anything new for PvP or bringing back 8v8 or adding 8v8 with a solo queue (like they original said they were going to do) or adding any large scale battles or new maps. At the very least balance some **** before S4 starts, it doesn't take Miss Cleo to see what is over tuned currently.

It's not like they are going to do it right anyway after smelling their thumbs that others have been sitting on they might as well just flip a coin and try making some small changes and see where it puts us.They claimed with the Discipline system they could balance classes easier, yet in the 8 weeks from SoR launch to S4 they are going to adjust Jug tanks the plague of PvP right.

From that point of view it's tough to blame the FoTM's because they know BW will take forever to balance the classes yet they were surely QQ when any suggests the class is OP and when those changes come a QQ **** storm will follow.

Eventually BW will get around to it, just like Smash for the sake of what's left in the PvP community lets hope that dosnt take 12 months.

my 2 cent for hatred.... nerf deathfield like smash ( only the critchance of recklessness count for one target)
or that recklessness cant be combined with deathfield.

with that there is no possibility that 4 hatred can annhilate tank+heal+ 2 dps in 4er rated

4x deatchfield = 4x 10k = 40k like smash early before 3.0

I personally think the stronger dots should be cleanable across the board. like crushing darkness. I think being able to remove 1 out of the 3 dots is fair.

I agree, a little counterplay is really what is necessary, and wouldn't affect PVE.

People who ask for a nerf to DoT spread as a solution to sin´s OPness are only trying to distract from the real problem and asking for a negligible placebo nerf instead. They probably main sins themselves.
The main problem with sins is surely not DoT spread, but a completely stupid burst every couple of secs paired with completely stupid immunity to almost everything for a huge amount of time. This is where nerfs need to inc, not to DoT spread.

Thank you, someone who sees these numbers a problem, they have smash capability with 30m range. With a dot spread, i think recklessness change is a good idea, maybe make it that recklessness only applies to single target abilities. Would help force storm being crazy as well.

Haha you are a funny one!

Make dotspread pve only

hatred dmg fixed

Nope /5char