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Sorcs are BROKEN!!!

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Sorcs are BROKEN!!!

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headshot_hendo
01.25.2015 , 05:22 PM | #401
Why is there no logic like this on other whine threads.

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jenlen
01.25.2015 , 10:44 PM | #402
Quote: Originally Posted by SithEater View Post
The idea that if not being actively guarded and healed they should be able to be killed in seconds regardless of what they do is the sum total of 75% of peoples ideas on how Sage/Sorcs should be, ie WAAAHHH I WANT EASY KILLS /sniffle /pout.
Exactly! THIS!

That is what they want! "I should be able to kill any Sorc 1 on 1 in seconds with no damage to me!"

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Odyseus
01.25.2015 , 11:55 PM | #403
I destroy Sorc's on my OP and my BH. Nothing to see here. To many scrubs allow them to freecast.
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JadenYugari
01.26.2015 , 04:48 AM | #404
Quote: Originally Posted by Master-Nala View Post
That's ridiculous. Do you really understand what that would mean re: Sorcerer damage? Turbulence would have to do 20K damage. That is why games moved away from 'glass cannons.' You either have to give them obnoxious damage to compensate or no one would play them.

All DPS specs need to be around the same damage/survivability. Doesn't have to be identical, and certainly not mechanically the same, but it should be close enough so that no spec is a clear right or wrong answer.
Because class that already does higher damage than Trooper/BH and Warrior/Kight needs to be able to tank the same amount damage. /sarcassm
As for "games moved away from glass cannon", I call bs on that one. Check some recently released MMOs and in most of them you will find at least one form of a "glass cannon/mage" class (very high damage, light armor, extremely low survivability). Sages/Sorcs are SWTORs version of a "mage" class. They already deal one of the highest amount of damage in the game, outperformed only by hatred/serenity sins/shadows (yes I know that spec a bit OP and yes I agree it should be tuned down) and the faceroll PT/Vanguard burst, not to mention sorcs/sages can also heal themselves. Its only logical that they should have the lowest survivability, lowest defenses and such.

If you want to have all DPS classes to have exactly the same survivability and exactly same dps, whats the point of having different classes and different armor in the first place? Just make one class and one armor type and Bingo! Balance problems solved. There need to be glass cannons and there need to be sustained dps thats lower but with increased survivability.

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JadenYugari
01.26.2015 , 04:50 AM | #405
Quote: Originally Posted by jenlen View Post
Exactly! THIS!

That is what they want! "I should be able to kill any Sorc 1 on 1 in seconds with no damage to me!"
As opposed to sorcs/sages going "I should be able to have insane dps, tank-level survivability and self-heals" as it is now.

EDIT: I forgot mobility, so please add "running around while casting stuff" and " easy-mode kitting" to that.

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MusicRider
01.26.2015 , 05:09 AM | #406
Quote: Originally Posted by JadenYugari View Post
Because class that already does higher damage than Trooper/BH and Warrior/Kight needs to be able to tank the same amount damage. /sarcassm
As for "games moved away from glass cannon", I call bs on that one. Check some recently released MMOs and in most of them you will find at least one form of a "glass cannon/mage" class (very high damage, light armor, extremely low survivability). Sages/Sorcs are SWTORs version of a "mage" class. They already deal one of the highest amount of damage in the game, outperformed only by hatred/serenity sins/shadows (yes I know that spec a bit OP and yes I agree it should be tuned down) and the faceroll PT/Vanguard burst, not to mention sorcs/sages can also heal themselves. Its only logical that they should have the lowest survivability, lowest defenses and such.

If you want to have all DPS classes to have exactly the same survivability and exactly same dps, whats the point of having different classes and different armor in the first place? Just make one class and one armor type and Bingo! Balance problems solved. There need to be glass cannons and there need to be sustained dps thats lower but with increased survivability.
Your post is so stupid and incoherent. You are mixing madness self-heals survivability with lightning burst. Madness has the *******st single target damage and not even the slightest burst, while ling has no passive self-heals and its burst although good, it is not even in the top 3. If you can't achieve big numbers on your toon like a sorc it is your l2p problem. Stop writing idiotic posts.

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JadenYugari
01.26.2015 , 05:31 AM | #407
Can we please rename the game to Sin Hatred: The Old Sorcerer? Might actually fit the current state of the game as well as its playerbase.

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Master-Nala
01.26.2015 , 08:05 AM | #408
Quote: Originally Posted by JadenYugari View Post
As opposed to sorcs/sages going "I should be able to have insane dps, tank-level survivability and self-heals" as it is now.

EDIT: I forgot mobility, so please add "running around while casting stuff" and " easy-mode kitting" to that.
Posts like yours make it harder and harder to stay polite and reasonable when addressing these silly arguments. Learn the game, learn the very obvious drawbacks of this class and you will do better. Or just keep whining.
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LoganOleary
01.26.2015 , 08:15 AM | #409
Quote: Originally Posted by Master-Nala View Post
Posts like yours make it harder and harder to stay polite and reasonable when addressing these silly arguments. Learn the game, learn the very obvious drawbacks of this class and you will do better. Or just keep whining.
Draw backs? Sorcs have draw backs? Strange I have a mid 20s Sorc and have not found any...and on my 60s Pubs I never seem to find any, unless you simply refer to them not wearing hvy armour.

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JadenYugari
01.26.2015 , 08:44 AM | #410
Quote: Originally Posted by LoganOleary View Post
Draw backs? Sorcs have draw backs? Strange I have a mid 20s Sorc and have not found any...and on my 60s Pubs I never seem to find any, unless you simply refer to them not wearing hvy armour.
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As for not making a completely empty posts, please add "never runs out of force no matter the frequency of ability spam" to one of my previous posts where I was listing what sorcs/sages currentlyhave/would like to have.