Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

This guy gets it

What's worse is that if Bioware nerfs Hatred damage WITHOUT touching utilities, then literally nothing will change. They will still over perform because of their utilities, it will just take slightly longer to kill targets, which wouldn't be a problem because the utilities would allow them the time needed to stay alive...

See how this works?

Like there is so much wrong with this sentence alone I cannot even begin to express the amount of facepalms it deserves..

Apply that to literally ANY class at all. the result would be the exact same thing.
A PT without utilities is useless. A sorc without utilities is useless. An Assassin without utilities is useless.
A..... I think it should be quite clear by now.


Nobody is saying that the 12 second cc immunity on deflection isn't stupid.
But only nerfing that won't be enough on hatred. And that is the only utility that really deserves a cold hard nerf.
Or rather.. quite simply gets replaced with something else less dominating.


Deception, even with all the utilities it has, is still underperforming. It doesn't have enough killpower.

The point is, the utilities is what's making the class overperform. Pretty sure even without utilities, AP could global people like it does now, to be honest the PT utilities are quite lackluster in comparison to the Assassin's.

An easy fix would be to simply swap out which utilities are where in the tree. Specifically, the Force Wave/Overload root should be up a tier, the same could be said for the 2 seconds of additional shroud, since the Juggernaut equivalent is a Heroic Utility, but ours is only Masterful. Likewise, the root on Serenity Strike/Leeching strike is not worth a spot in the Heroic tier.

I could go on and on if you'd like me to, but I'm assuming you didn't read my whole post, because you took my comment out of context in part.

Edit: Basically, just force assassin's to choose between multiple good things in the heroic section. As it is now, there's really only 3, arguably 4 (albeit situational), utilities to choose from. And if you want to narrow it down even further, only 2 utilities are universally good in the Heroic section.

I don't know how you two translate "rectified" into "ruined." or "doesn't care where the problem is" into "wants to fix what isn't broken." but good job on that, I guess....

That would just cause more imbalance than it fixes. Assassins ARE the sneaky class with a lot of stuff to throw in your face. That shouldn't go anywhere. The only thing that absolutely HAS TO GO, is Dark Stability/Sturdiness.

Wouldn't cause any more imbalances...

Pre 3.0 assassins did perfectly fine without half the things we got thrown at us now...if anything, it's just a crutch now that helps bad players appear good and good players appear godlike...

http://i.imgur.com/COW8ryE.jpg

Like are you actually serious.. "We didn't need half the.. blahblahblahihavntacluewtfimtalkingabout"

The other classes didn't have half the utility options they have now either. We simply got more diverse and that is a good thing. Jezus **.

I'm all for diversity, I'm starting to think that you don't understand where I stand here.

Do I believe Hatred as a Discipline is overtuned? No
Do I believe that Assassins are currently overperforming given their skillset? Yes

I simply want the correct thing to be fixed here and the Hatred discipline is fine where it is. You appear to think that I WANT sins to be nerfed when that isn't the case, I am simply providing my opinion on where the true problem lies, and rough estimations on how they could be rectified. I actually haven't seen anything constructive as to how to fix the issue from you, just mindless badgering on "**** u srs rite now?" and "lolz, u must be trollin"

I know exactly what you stand for. And I quite simply don't agree.

If you would actually read my posts with a little more care than a 5 year old you would understand this.