Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

Bold printing by me :

Thanks for proving the point.

Proving the point that lethality is out of control?! You are welcome!!

Hatred as a discipline is fine.

It's the Sins' utilities that are over the top.

Maybe if you even remotely mained a sin pre 3.0 you'd see that. MadSins were actually SadSins for a large part of swtor's existance, it's finally in a respectable place. It's ONLY when you combine it with the current utilities that it appears over the top.

If you want proof, I can duel you as Deception and still mow you down effortlessly.

It's the utilities that are over the top, not the spec. So much QQ yet all of your pitchforks are pointed in the wrong direction.

Wait a minute, I thought deception needed tons of damage buffs!

I guess not right? Thanks for clearing that up!

Something has to go for hatred. The defenses are too good. The damage is too high. The utility is ridiculous.

Normally I wouldn't respond to such troll posts, but incase you didn't know, Deception burst in pvp remained the same as pre 3.0 while the health in 3.0 was increased by 10-15k. Same burst + higher health pools = a nerf in burst relative to pre 3.0. Deception used to be on par with Madness for damage and viability, now however, it underperforms in direct comparison to Hatred as a Discipline.

However being skilled at Assassin means that you can make both specs work for you, and considering that Deception has the same pool of utilities to choose from as Hatred, a skilled Sin will wreck you no matter what the spec.

Thanks for trying though.

Edit: also, notice how you said their defenses are too good? You are aware that that's due to UTILITIES, right? I like how you <snipped> the most important part of my post, where I specifically state that only in conjunction with current UTILITIES does Hatred appear to over perform.

Please, to all of you QQing about Hatred sins, go duel a Hatred sin right now who has 0 points spec'ed into any of their utilities and come back here and tell me again how OP Hatred is as a discipline.

I really don't think anyone (outside of the sin himself) cares whether the problem is in the discipline path or the optional utilities combined with the path that is broken. likewise, nobody but the sin cares if the change is made to the utilities or to the path so long as the situation is rectified.

all of that said...if only one spec is over performing and one is under performing...I think you'd better brace yourself for a nerf to the spec rather than the shared utilities.

And it is this mentality that is the cause of things like Concealment operative and multiple other specs to be chain nerfed into oblivion. How about instead of blindly asking for a nerf of a perfectly balanced Discipline, you examine the real problem here and fix it instead?

So glad that people like you aren't developers.

I was reading the OP and got to that and had to stop to ask this:

We are talking about Star Wars: The Old Republic, right?

Double post

that's what scares me... wouldnt be the first time a class gets destroyed because people have poor understanding of where the problem is.