Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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Hatred Sins most OP spec in HISTORY of SWTOR

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KTap

01.23.2015 , 08:12 PM \| #121	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob your point, while true, is also irrelevant. there at AT LEAST 2 dps specs for every AC. my math skills aren't spectacular, but I think it's possible to ensure that AT LEAST one spec is viable in PVE and another (if not the same) is viable in PVP. all they have to do is built things into the specific disciplines. now a PVEer cannot dip into something designed for PVP that would make the PVEer a god in raids and vice versa. your point, while true, is immaterial. there are just a few very poorly designed ACs and disciplines. ppl will always whine if their particular spec isn't the best spec, but it's perfectly reasonable for assault to be viable in pvp while crap in pve and have gunnery be crap in pvp while being aces in pve. that's fine. that's still balance. the only trick is with the tank and heal roles because they don't have a 2nd spec to dev toward one format or another. that said...the issue here is mostly about entire ACs with crap dps specs (at the very least). I was mostly just posting to share my thoughts, I'm not trying to debate exactly what changes could be made (you folks are much more knowledgeable about pvp balance than I am). I will say though, that something like you suggested would work, but then people are pigeonholed into 1 spec even more so than now imo, which I don't think is good. I've always liked the idea of having different specs for pvp myself, that would only work in warzones (and open world for pvp servers), so they could focus on balancing both PvE and PvP individually without hindering or overpowering the other side (I can dream, right?). Quote: Originally Posted by cs_zoltan That's mostly because of the retarded ops design that they have for quite some time now which heavily favours ranged. True enough, but Powertechs at least are still very viable for PvE.
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Iona_Var

01.23.2015 , 08:42 PM \| #122	Quote
I just don't want to see them nerfed to the point that no one in their right mind would play that spec as they were in the past. Yes they need to be toned down a bit but they are in a decent spot for pve right now and I fear that bioware may over-nerf them back to how they used to be: a useless spec for pvp and a spec that no one wants to have on their ops team.
"Fight all you want. In the end, we will prevail." -Dread Master Calphayus

foxmob

01.23.2015 , 09:20 PM \| #123	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by KTap I will say though, that something like you suggested would work, but then people are pigeonholed into 1 spec even more so than now imo, which I don't think is good. I've always liked the idea of having different specs for pvp myself, that would only work in warzones (and open world for pvp servers), so they could focus on balancing both PvE and PvP individually without hindering or overpowering the other side (I can dream, right?).. situation now: some ACs have zero viable specs. result of trying to achieve balance for all specs. my proposal: one AC is viable in both formats. he merely has to change specs. sorry if you don't like "the other" spec. but it's patently ridiculous to have an entire AC lack viability. deal with only having one good spec per format. at least you can play your toon in BOTH formats.
Krack

KumbayaGOD

01.23.2015 , 10:03 PM \| #124	Quote
i seldom qq in the forum about any class , because in good hands some class are very good no matter what like sentinel/marauder that is not so favorable but i have seen some people that is very good in mara/sent before 3.0 and still perform very good after 3.0 but yeah hatred assasin is OP as hell , they have so many bursst, dcd and tools that is almost unkitable so with equal skills people who do ranked pvp or 4 vs 4 will have hard time to beat it so nerf is in order
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magnashear

01.24.2015 , 12:41 AM \| #125	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by cs_zoltan Ah the obvious "my class is not op, it's all skillz" defending stance. Nothing new here. Keep saying it to yourself while you fall asleep if it makes you feel better First off if I'm glowing yellow stop spamming force tech attacks on me. It's probably people like you why I keep seeing "resist " floating over my head. What class do u main? Most be pt or sort huh? U ragin on the forums in hope the nerf bat doesn't swing your way?

Iona_Var

01.24.2015 , 12:47 AM \| #126	Quote
Lol PT's will end up getting nerfed too. They aren't going to nerf hatred and let pt's have their current burst stay the same.
"Fight all you want. In the end, we will prevail." -Dread Master Calphayus

BarrinMarshall

01.24.2015 , 01:14 AM \| #127	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Zoom_VI That's not how balancing works, you only balancing around the here and now, not about what was. Besides there are some classes such as DPS mercs which haven't had a strong spec since 1.2 Arsenal spec on Merc is the best DPS'ing in the game. ****.

BarrinMarshall

01.24.2015 , 01:19 AM \| #128	Quote
Hatred Sins better not get nerfed unless you plan on taking 3 other AC's down with it. Nerfs are NEVER in order, you should be tweaking the crap classes upwared not shoving other classes down. Who cares about "endgame" PVE? Only the barest fraction ever get to run that junk and BW isn';t going to release very much new content anyways so just throw another "0" on the end of the ops boss hit points and be done with it. Buff the crap classes up, not tear others down.

Hatori_Hanzo

01.24.2015 , 07:07 AM \| #129	Quote
Right after 3.0 launched I logged in my hatred assassin, spec'd with the new spec system, qued for pvp and said to myself: "this will never last". As I posted several weeks ago: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...03#post7881403 If you want to be competitive in solo ranked there is NO reason to que up as anything other than a hatred sin/shadow. If you do que as something else you're not doing it right. So.... /signed
Seriously, you're still a subscriber?

HaoZhao

01.24.2015 , 07:17 AM \| #130	Quote
This topic is ridiculous. I'd like to point out that just the other day a lethality operative killed me (with the help of two hatred assassins). Lethality is clearly out of control and it needs to be nerfed again. P.S. nerf concealment too.

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