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Sorcs are BROKEN!!!

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Sorcs are BROKEN!!!

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nrevox
01.12.2015 , 04:38 PM | #251
Quote: Originally Posted by Saikochoro View Post
Yes I do play lightning and yes it is almost all insta cast. You proc chain lightning with lightning bolt, thundering blast, and force storm. Lightning bolt insta cast can be proc'd by taking damage and by using force speed. Shock has always been insta cast. Lightning flash is insta cast. I really don't use force lightning anymore in lightning spec as their are more mobile options. Thundering blast can be cast on the move with a utility. Crushing darkness is the only ability that I always have to cast. I didn't say they are 100% insta cast. I said they are 90%. You still have to cast sometimes, but rarely.
Shock and lightning flash are insta cast but they have a cool down so nobody is spamming those non stop while moving. Most lightning sorcs don't even use force lightning in their rotation. They use shock only when being chased out of their spot BUT then have to wait for them to come off of cd to use those again. If you are getting burst down its not from a sorc that is spamming shock or lightning flash. If you have limited them to using shock and LF then you have them beat. They have to cast in order to hurt you. period.

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Saikochoro
01.12.2015 , 05:14 PM | #252
I didn't say they never need to cast. I said they hardly ever need to cast.

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alexsamma
01.12.2015 , 05:33 PM | #253
I main a sage/sorc, just wanted to get that out there.

I also play every class aside from mando/merc (not my thing, though the few times I have played them at max level I topped damage and kills).

I have zero issues killing sorcs on my pt, sin, jugg, sniper, mara, or operative unless they are A-tier sorcs (only a few of those imo).

Maybe it's because I have played a sage/sorc since launch and know the specs weaknesses and strengths, but IMO 99% of sorcs are free kills unless they are being supported by their team; I'm not going to complain about losing a 1vsXX.

Next, let's clear a few things up:

1 million damage is nothing, if you think that means sorcs/sages are OP then you would have a heart attack if you played with good dps (for reference, breaking 1mil. damage on my combat sentinel isn't even note worthy)
LT sorcs trade dps for off healing, they can't do both
Madness sorcs single target dps is pathetic, they make up for it in passive self heals.
LT. sorcs mobility and instant casts are highly overrated, most matches consist of force storm spam, but in a real match where you have to work to get kills you will have to stand and cast
LT. sorcs have less burst than the other two ranged dps burst specs, you can cry about lt. sorcs when TB hits anywhere near as hard as ambush or HM.

If sorcs were truly OP you would get face-rolled by every newb out there, but the truth of the matter is that most sorcs are still free kills and their damage is easy to negate.

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MarcoMontana
01.12.2015 , 05:51 PM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by alexsamma View Post
I main a sage/sorc, just wanted to get that out there.

I also play every class aside from mando/merc (not my thing, though the few times I have played them at max level I topped damage and kills).

I have zero issues killing sorcs on my pt, sin, jugg, sniper, mara, or operative unless they are A-tier sorcs (only a few of those imo).

Maybe it's because I have played a sage/sorc since launch and know the specs weaknesses and strengths, but IMO 99% of sorcs are free kills unless they are being supported by their team; I'm not going to complain about losing a 1vsXX.

Next, let's clear a few things up:

1 million damage is nothing, if you think that means sorcs/sages are OP then you would have a heart attack if you played with good dps (for reference, breaking 1mil. damage on my combat sentinel isn't even note worthy)
LT sorcs trade dps for off healing, they can't do both
Madness sorcs single target dps is pathetic, they make up for it in passive self heals.
LT. sorcs mobility and instant casts are highly overrated, most matches consist of force storm spam, but in a real match where you have to work to get kills you will have to stand and cast
LT. sorcs have less burst than the other two ranged dps burst specs, you can cry about lt. sorcs when TB hits anywhere near as hard as ambush or HM.

If sorcs were truly OP you would get face-rolled by every newb out there, but the truth of the matter is that most sorcs are still free kills and their damage is easy to negate.
All I needed to read was........................."I main a sage/sorc"

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Galothor
01.12.2015 , 06:06 PM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by MarcoMontana View Post
All I needed to read was........................."I main a sage/sorc"
And all I needed to read was your name .... the troll is back in town!

Before you start talking about balancing other classes, you should learn to play your own class.
Losing almost every 1on1 as a concealment operative to a sorc is pathetic. How would you know anything about class balance if you don't even know enough about your own class to play it successfully, let alone master it!

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alexsamma
01.12.2015 , 06:31 PM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by MarcoMontana View Post
All I needed to read was........................."I main a sage/sorc"
Maybe you should read down to where I talk about playing every ac aside from mando/merc...

I technically "main'd" a jugg last season for group ranked, back in 8vs8 I split my time between sin/shadow, guardian, operative, mara, and sage/sorc - essentially filled in whatever role was needed; it may come as a shock to you, but most of the long-term players have experience playing more than one class.

I consider the sage/sorc to be my "main" because I have always enjoyed the class, not because I want to white knight it.

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Icykill_
01.12.2015 , 06:41 PM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by Saikochoro View Post
Yes I do play lightning and yes it is almost all insta cast. You proc chain lightning with lightning bolt, thundering blast, and force storm. Lightning bolt insta cast can be proc'd by taking damage and by using force speed. Shock has always been insta cast. Lightning flash is insta cast. I really don't use force lightning anymore in lightning spec as their are more mobile options. Thundering blast can be cast on the move with a utility. Crushing darkness is the only ability that I always have to cast. I didn't say they are 100% insta cast. I said they are 90% insta cast/cast on the move. You still have to cast sometimes, but rarely. They are by far the most mobile ranged class and have the most insta cast/moving cast abilities. I have busted plenty of people down while moving.
And you will do mediocre damage using it that way.... Hitting what ever lights up will give you instants sure... But you will gimp your damage out put
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Saikochoro
01.12.2015 , 07:00 PM | #258
I didn't state a specific rotation. I stated which powers are insta cast or can proc or can be used on the move. How is using an instant proc doing less damage than casting? It's not. There are other things you do yes, but the point is lightning has much more instants and mobility than necessary. Yes Merc and snipers have higher hitting abilities. Not sure who was denying that, but I guarrantee you that most of them would trade places with what a lightning sorc can do.

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KrackShotz
01.12.2015 , 07:06 PM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by MarcoMontana View Post
All I needed to read was........................."I main a sage/sorc"
He's right I don't even have a sorc past 27. Sorcs are the most popular class there are always going to be lots of tem and doing 1 mil dmg in a wz that is all fluff doesn't make the class op. Unless you run into a really good one they are free kills.

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swredrage
01.12.2015 , 07:18 PM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by Saikochoro View Post
Lightning hardly ever has to cast anything except thundering blast which can be done on the move and crushing darkness which has a proc for faster cast. I'm not saying everything lightning does should be casted I'm saying they should have to cast over 50% of the time because they are ranged. With as much insta cast as they have the benefit melee used to have is gone. It just doesn't make sense to have a ranged toon have 90% insta cast/cast on the move. Nor does it make sense for a melee class to have 90% of its attacks available from 15-30m. It's just not how it was supposed to be. It throws traditional survivability and counters between melee and ranged out the window. If a sorc didn't know how to kite then it deserved to die IMO. If you play ranged then you should learn to kite and LOS. Why should you try to face tank? Barrier alone was good as an anti focus button. If the sorc team was bad and didn't peel off the attackers then that is the teams fault. Now with bastion your team doesn't have to peel them off. You can just go back to business. They need to have one less tool. Either take kiting (that would be stupid), face tank (keep barrier get rid of bastion), some insta cast and mobility (best option), or healing (also not a good idea as heals are built into their class).
Don't want to give it away too much but.... interrupt thundering blast casts. Win. Then again 90% of the players don't know what that means.
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