lets talk Socerer's! Seriously, no hat just realy come on now?

you playing a sorc thats clear but ok lets keep going after 3.1 there are only dps assa dps sorc and tank pts all other classe will go instinct in pvp....
80% of the player on my server in pvp are assas and sorc

Lol so many trolls saying sorc/sage is the cream of the crop... how wrong can you be???? This is a L2P thread people who are complaining are clearly clickers..

Bioware did a great job this time at bringing more classes up to the same level, although there are still a few that need tweaks. Sorc/Sage is not one of them.

And what class does the person who started this thread play???

you playing a sorc thats clear but ok lets keep going after 3.1 there are only dps assa dps sorc and tank pts all other classe will go instinct in pvp....
80% of the player on my server in pvp are assas and sorc

QFT! There may be some stragglers like myself that try and be successful against the onslaught of Sin and Sorc spam. But for the most part WZ is majority of these 2 classes on both factions, which means they're over tuned...

Not really. Again, even when sorcs were garbage, the majority of the warzones were full of them. Its a popular class regardless of how good or bad it is in the current meta.

This entire discussion is absolutely ridiculous. Sorcs have finally become a viable class in ranked with these buffs, previously they were completely useless focus fodder.
They were viable before 3.0.

As it is, they are far from the most OP ranged class, let alone overall class. You've got snipers that wipe sorcs out in 2 global cooldowns due to their burst. Same goes for PT's, except they have still decent burst at 30 metres and are almost indestructible. PT's regularly hit 10k+ crits, something no sorc ability can do. Sorcs, even with the revised lightning spec, still have terrible burst damage.
If you are losing to a sniper you need to learn to LOS. No sorc should lose to a sniper ever.

As for kiting, sorcs still get roflstunned and smashed to death by melee classes, even on madness where I use my creeping terror root all the time to maintain distance. Still not nearly enough burst to beat a decent jugg 1v1.
Hatred sins and very good juggs im sure can still give you a problem Really good concealment ops probably too. But a equally skilled madness sorc should beat the jugg. Should beat the op most times because you should be taking your roots to stop him from rolling. Hatred sins and AP PT are probably the only thing I would worry about. If you are having problems with maras I dont know what to tell you.

As for bubble, people still sit just outside then cc you and smash you to death as soon as you emerge. Receiving heals while in bubble is the only way to survive if the opponent just waits you out.
Well if you stayed in bubble the whole time then coupled with enduring bastion and utility you should be at almost full health. Learn to stun them first. Most good sorcs Ive come across will stun the melee right when bubble ends and run away.

Almost all wz dps is still topped by jugg/PT/snipers assuming both sides are decent. If your team is **** and they let sorcs sit on the sidelines and cast dots/ force storm for a whole match of course they will top the numbers.
Most warzones and arenas Ive done the top performers have been sorcs and pts.

Sorc is still the worst class in the game for 1v1 combat - any melee class will wipe them out assuming both players are of equal skill and gear.
HAHAHAHAHA. Again if you are losing to a mara then you are playing sorc wrong. They are a very good 1v1 class as many others have already stated. Perhaps not the best, but very good.

Snipers completely obliterate sorcs unless the sorc manages to DOT/LOS them, which for me playing with an Australian ping is almost impossible.
Perhaps you should blame ping instead of snipers then. Sorcs should beat snipers every time. Why do you think you should be able to face tank? Learn to LOS.

Sorcs heals are finally usable in something other than PVE and they still are far inferior to operative heals in terms of survivability (with cloak escape and almost all moving heals)
I agree operatives were better than sorcs pre 3.0. The gaap is much closer now with many considering sorcs better heals. I personally am no so sure, but its possible. Pre 3.0 I encountered many very good sorc healers. You have several heals now that you can insta cast and move with and you have barrier + bastion. My beef actually isnt with healing sorcs.

For the first time in SWTOR history all 3 sorcs specs are viable and the QQ is massive.
The same people who QQ'd about ops when they were FOTM pre 1.5, about snipers when they were FOTM pre 2.0 and about merc heals when they were FOTM pre 2.8-ish.
Name other classes that have had all three specs viable before 3.0. Operative: people would rage at you if you queued ranked as concealment. "Spec heals or ****." How many people considered anni maras ranked material? How about before madness buff? Would you have taken a madness sin in a ranked arena? Or normal warzone for that matter? Remember when everyone though vengeance juggs sucked? Or that the whole dps class was squishy without ED? Hardly any class has had all 3 trees/discplines viable at the same time. There is a difference between viable and over the top.

The only time sorcs kick butt is when they have a team supporting them that is better than the other team. Otherwise they get melted faster than any other class in the game.
This may be true for many of the unskilled sorcs. The ones that actually know how to play the class well can kick butt solo. ALL classes do better with a supporting team that is better than the opposing team. What did you expect? You think a vengeance jugg is better alone than with a team? There are other classes that have a much harder time without support (i.e. mercs, maras, and snipers to name a few). Sorcs can do very well on their own.

I say to all you whiners; get bent.
I don't know....your post sounds very whiney to me. Nobody wants sorcs to be dead meat again, but they have a full tool belt that nobody else does. You act like any nerf would absolutely kill your class. Get over yourself.

Edit: I still melt sorcs on my op, gunslinger and jugg. They are still super squishy and easy to cc to death. Especially on my gunslinger; my survivability with her is far higher than the sorc. And when sorcs LOs me I just roflroll right in their face, cover and blast them some more.
I still melt sorcs on every class I play, including other sorcs. Ive even melted a sorc with my mara, but most were not very good at playing sorcs. When I come against a sorc that actually knows what its doing I dont win on my sniper or mara. Its a gamble with my jugg. My pt I can usually still win. Hatred sin I can usually still win. Operative its a gamble (only because I play operatives more than anything else so I am pretty good at it). You have enough roots to kick an operatives trash though.

Only the really good sorc players are melting faces right now, and those same guys were already melting faces before

only heal spec has heals!!! no dps class/spec could heal

Lol so many trolls saying sorc/sage is the cream of the crop... how wrong can you be???? This is a L2P thread people who are complaining are clearly clickers..

Bioware did a great job this time at bringing more classes up to the same level, although there are still a few that need tweaks. Sorc/Sage is not one of them.

And what class does the person who started this thread play???

That may hold water, however when all the Sorcerers and Sages own the top honors every WZ? I need not say more...