Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

Power augments or primary stats augments?

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > PvP
Power augments or primary stats augments?

JustinxDuff's Avatar


JustinxDuff
12.24.2014 , 11:35 AM | #51
Alacrity augs for PvP? Nope.
Bluntasaurus - Gunslinger - Ewoks Anonyous
Bluntskii - Sentinel - Ewoks Anonymous
Prophecy of the Five
Push the envelope, watch it bend

Evolixe's Avatar


Evolixe
12.24.2014 , 11:37 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by JustinxDuff View Post
Alacrity augs for PvP? Nope.
Could be useful if you intend to do something fancy like eating 33% off your cooldowns.
But that isn't even possible currently.

And even then, that wouldn't make you the most deadly.. but it would certainly make something like a Deception Sin a pretty insane CC bot.
Evolixe | Exilove
Darth Malgus
Watch me live on Twitch

Astrona's Avatar


Astrona
12.24.2014 , 11:56 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
but higher crits is generally regarded more useful in PvP than a series of faster, but less hard hitting attacks.
Generally regarded by whom? By people? People tend to do mistakes and follow trends. Is it a trend? Do you remember back in WoW people used to stack some ridiculous amounts of haste on mages for example? And haste there wasn't even that good as alacrity now in 3.0.

About "uptime" - I thought I explained that in quite layman's terms in my previous posts. Feel free to check it.
I'll try to put it anoher, personal example way: you are a well-known assassin-shadow, former deception, but dot spec now in 3.0, since it became uber-effective - aoe dot spread, massive damage, burst and all that. Now think, how much damage in percentage you do with dots? Like 50%, 60%, more? (I really don't know, that's why I'm asking). Well, anyways, HUGE portion of your damage comes from dots. Especialy in aoe fights. As far as you know, dots now scale with alacrity and, obviously, they don't require you to have an uptime.
I saw your shadow in-game - you had like 70% of surge, if I recall. Now imagine if you lower it to 60%, lets say, and put the rest into alacrity, what would change? Haven't you think about that? Would your dps decrease? I don't know for sure, but I have a strong feeling it would not. It would require a proper code and a combat log to say for sure. I have such for sorc - that's why I'm so certain.

foxmob's Avatar


foxmob
12.24.2014 , 12:07 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Evolixe View Post
For alacrity to be good you need constant uptime. Otherwise it's nice to speed things up a bit where you would otherwise lose a lot of stats to the Surge DR.. but higher crits is generally regarded more useful in PvP than a series of faster, but less hard hitting attacks.

Very simple, basic PvP knowledge.
imo, for alacrity to be worthwhile, you'd need an alacrity multiplier. I think the old merc healing proc'd that (dunno about now), and the old telekinetics sage did (also dunno about now). however, if there is still an alac proc that awards points (like dodge is +100 but that's not really an absolute; it's an add/subtract), then it doesn't do much for the standing alac on your armor, so I'd guess you're better off not putting any alac on the armor at all.

otherwise, you'd be pouring an awful lot of points into alac that would draw directly from your power base (main/power). iunno. that's my thought on alac. I would love to cut into the gcd, but I cannot rationalize the minimally shorter gcd for all of the power I'd have to sac to get that. but if I had a talent that turned (e.g.) 200 alacrity into 400 alac on a reliable basis, then it might be worth it.
Krack

Raansu's Avatar


Raansu
12.24.2014 , 12:13 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Astrona View Post
I saw your shadow in-game - you had like 70% of surge, if I recall. Now imagine if you lower it to 60%, lets say, and put the rest into alacrity, what would change? Haven't you think about that? Would your dps decrease? I don't know for sure, but I have a strong feeling it would not. It would require a proper code and a combat log to say for sure. I have such for sorc - that's why I'm so certain.
The answer would be his damage would drop significantly.

waterboytkd's Avatar


waterboytkd
12.24.2014 , 12:28 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Astrona View Post
I do know how that works, mate. But you are not restricted with 4 or 5 abilities in that "window of opportunity". What you are restricted with - IS TIME. Is it confusing? I'll explain:

1) you have a window of 6.75 seconds (for example). Feel free to unleash your power. If you have 10% alacrity you would do EXACTLY 5 insta-cast abilities, assuming 1.5s gcd. Now if you'd have 0 alacrity, you would only do 4. Thus, having 10% alacrity will give you 20% damage boost (assuming you cast the same ability, ofc).
Weird, isn't it?

2) "But it doesn't have to be 6.75s, dude!" you'd say. Exactly! Windows lengths vary. Sometimes you will only cast one ability and 10% alacrity will give you 0% boost.
But on large intervals of time you can do averaging. And on average you WILL be able to cast more abilities, the more alacrity you have. Thus, having 10% alacrity will result in precisely 1/0.9 = 11.[1]% dps increase.

Hope that clarifies some things.
Your concept of alacrity is way off. 10% Alacrity does not drop the GCD by 10%. If it did that, what would 100% Alacrity do? Drop your GCD to nothing? What would over 100% Alacrity do? Send you back in time?

10% Alacrity means you get off 10% more attacks in a time frame. 100% Alacrity yields a 50% reduction in the GCD, to give you 100% more attacks in a time frame.

10% Alacrity results in a 10% increase in dps. Because Alacrity affects the GCD with this formula: 1.5seconds/(1+alacrity bonus). So with 10% alacrity, you get the GCD being 1.5s/(1+.1) = 1.5s/1.1 = 1.36s, not 1.35s. May not seem like much of a difference, but it grows as Alacrity increases.

Also, the sacrifice to get 10% alacrity, even in a prolonged fight where you execute a perfect rotation, is going to result in less dps than if you balanced your stats. How much all depends on your other stats, especially crit % (to determine the net benefit of surge), but again, for some specs (like Rage) that do autocrits, surge is a MASSIVE increase to dps over alacrity. At least, for the first few enhancements.
The Harbinger - The Grimprophet Legacy
Pubs: An'dru // Azule'ana // Gae'bryal // Jesi'ka // Ae'zryal
Imps: Jon'nee // Rae'zyal // Ma'rya // Kad'ija

Evolixe's Avatar


Evolixe
12.24.2014 , 12:33 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Astrona View Post
About "uptime" - I thought I explained that in quite layman's terms in my previous posts. Feel free to check it.
I'll try to put it anoher, personal example way: you are a well-known assassin-shadow, former deception, but dot spec now in 3.0, since it became uber-effective - aoe dot spread, massive damage, burst and all that. Now think, how much damage in percentage you do with dots? Like 50%, 60%, more? (I really don't know, that's why I'm asking). Well, anyways, HUGE portion of your damage comes from dots. Especialy in aoe fights. As far as you know, dots now scale with alacrity and, obviously, they don't require you to have an uptime.
Herpaderpaderpaderpadurp.

If my dots tick faster, I need to reapply them sooner, while they do the same amount of damage.

I rather have them running for longer, so I have more time to do other things (or get cc'd) so that I don't run around with no dots on people half the time because they were already off before I could reapply them.


Inb4 GCD argument and more derping;

I can't use any *********** thing while I'm ccing, falling back or generally away from my target. And unless Alacrity is going to reduce the amount of time I'm in a CC (lol ), alacrity has negative value while under those effects.
Evolixe | Exilove
Darth Malgus
Watch me live on Twitch

Evolixe's Avatar


Evolixe
12.24.2014 , 12:35 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
otherwise, you'd be pouring an awful lot of points into alac that would draw directly from your power base (main/power).
Alacrity is a tertiary stat, same as Surge and Accuracy. It doesn't affect your Mainstat or Power at all.

Unless you augment it.
Evolixe | Exilove
Darth Malgus
Watch me live on Twitch

TezMoney's Avatar


TezMoney
12.24.2014 , 12:35 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
imo, for alacrity to be worthwhile, you'd need an alacrity multiplier. I think the old merc healing proc'd that (dunno about now), and the old telekinetics sage did (also dunno about now). however, if there is still an alac proc that awards points (like dodge is +100 but that's not really an absolute; it's an add/subtract), then it doesn't do much for the standing alac on your armor, so I'd guess you're better off not putting any alac on the armor at all.

otherwise, you'd be pouring an awful lot of points into alac that would draw directly from your power base (main/power). iunno. that's my thought on alac. I would love to cut into the gcd, but I cannot rationalize the minimally shorter gcd for all of the power I'd have to sac to get that. but if I had a talent that turned (e.g.) 200 alacrity into 400 alac on a reliable basis, then it might be worth it.
Actually as merc you have proc that gives you 10% crit multiplier when you crit, so that can make up for surge loss if you add some alacrity. You can get around 6% alacrity if you're willing to go down to around 65% surge. You also shave quite a bit off of the CD on your kb, stun, e net, pwr surge, and basically everything except energy shield I think.

But hey, I'm a healer and prog scan has 3s channel, so I reap quite a bit of benefit from alacrity.
Tebor - Mercenary
R E I G N

Sith Empire - Jung Ma
Official Guild Website

Evolixe's Avatar


Evolixe
12.24.2014 , 12:37 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by TezMoney View Post
Actually as merc you have proc that gives you 10% crit multiplier when you crit, so that can make up for surge loss if you add some alacrity. You can get around 6% alacrity if you're willing to go down to around 65% surge. You also shave quite a bit off of the CD on your kb, e net, pwr surge, and basically everything except energy shield I think.

But hey, I'm a healer and prog scan has 3s channel, so I reap quite a bit of benefit from alacrity.
Thing is that that surge I'm pretty sure is additive. So it doesn't suffer from any form of DR whatsoever.
Making it more valuable the more Surge you have.
Evolixe | Exilove
Darth Malgus
Watch me live on Twitch