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AP Powertech needs a serious nerf.

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AP Powertech needs a serious nerf.

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Czaro
12.21.2014 , 03:22 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Hei_Atzfel View Post
Okay honestly, can we just stop this nonsense? Every single class and/or spec in the entire game drops really fast without cooldowns. That's the very nature of how the game works.
Yeah I agree that every class die quickly without dcds, but PT has let's say one decent dcd in ap now which is Energy Shield... Kolto is **** in this spec and it's on 3min cd. Should I count assassin's dcds or jugg's or sorcs or maras?
If they are going to nerf burst I want Pyro's Kolto Overload back.
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KainrycKarr
12.21.2014 , 03:31 AM | #32
Just need to make a few small tweaks.

1. Shoulder cannon needs to go BACK to it's 1.5s CD, changing it from unloading in 3.5s to 10.5s.

This will fix the insane burst/opener.

2. Tune down the Heroic speed boost utility from 45% increase to 25% increase.

This makes it both still useful, but a little less insane.

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Czaro
12.21.2014 , 03:42 AM | #33
SC was on 1s ICD pre 3.0.
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foxmob
12.21.2014 , 04:24 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Czaro View Post
Yeah I agree that every class die quickly without dcds, but PT has let's say one decent dcd in ap now which is Energy Shield... Kolto is **** in this spec and it's on 3min cd. Should I count assassin's dcds or jugg's or sorcs or maras?
If they are going to nerf burst I want Pyro's Kolto Overload back.
kolto is a stun breaker that almost immediately gets you up to 35%, and when used properly, will not only break but get you to 35% at which point you pop medpack for an almost instant 70% hp. it's no ED by any means, but it's incredibly useful. honestly, I think it's much better than a straight 25% DR. HTL, Adrenaline Rush and Sonic Round are the most valuable survival tools for a tactics VG imo. the only problem is that sonic round is also our aoe taunt, so I don't normally hold onto it for self defense. and it pisses me off that I should have to make that decision every time I think about dropping an aoe taunt. of course I want to taunt the grp that isn't attacking me.

anyway, I really do think VG tactics defenses are perfectly fine. I think some other ACs/specs have too much on the dcd options, and I'd rather be brought up to their level than nothing, but I honestly think they should be nerfed down to us. I don't like all these "hard checks" to dmg that half the ACs have. I think very small windows of resistances are good (e.g., shroud, UDR, dodge), but the long lasting "do not attack" or CC abils are just silly. short duration "resists/absorbs" and 20-30% DRs. all this other stuff is just stupid. reduce dmg output if you need to, but enough with the uber dcds.
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Aetideus
12.21.2014 , 05:24 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Hei_Atzfel View Post
Okay honestly, can we just stop this nonsense? Every single class and/or spec in the entire game drops really fast without cooldowns. That's the very nature of how the game works.
Apparently this spec is AP and tactics revolve around disabling AP or healer first. Mercs on the other hand are complete crap. Not balanced at all those two specs.

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Czaro
12.21.2014 , 05:51 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by foxmob View Post
kolto is a stun breaker that almost immediately gets you up to 35%, and when used properly, will not only break but get you to 35% at which point you pop medpack for an almost instant 70% hp. it's no ED by any means, but it's incredibly useful. honestly, I think it's much better than a straight 25% DR. HTL, Adrenaline Rush and Sonic Round are the most valuable survival tools for a tactics VG imo. the only problem is that sonic round is also our aoe taunt, so I don't normally hold onto it for self defense. and it pisses me off that I should have to make that decision every time I think about dropping an aoe taunt. of course I want to taunt the grp that isn't attacking me.
Kolto right now is a massive **** that pretends to keep you at 35%HP. Let's calculate smth: AVG HP for PT AP is 42k. 35% of it's HP is 14700HP. If you are going to meet burst class at this situation let be honest you are already dead. Stun breaker is really situational and personally i do not take it because when I use it I'll lose 30% dmg red while stunned. Better is to spend point to healing rockets that will heal you up also when you are stunned.

About 30% def chance from mass taunt. It's really good ability but I also hate to choose between taunt or dcd that works randomly.

I agree that PT has insane burst and it needs to be toned down. But when I see people crying that AP is op i want to laugh. Without a healer ap pt is nothing. He's a priority target that dies in a seconds. He's defensive is attack. He's like kamikaze.

The most broken classes are atm madness sins and sorcs. I'm not saying PT's burst isn't but honestly... Inquisitors can make easily 2,5k++ dps. (I've even seen once that sorc made 3900+dps) and they have better dcds than powertechs.
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killerbugz
12.21.2014 , 06:20 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Pathlight- View Post
I'm not usually one to call for nerfs but PT's AP burst is completely imbalanced at the moment. It needs a serious tone down very soon.

I dont know what class/spec you main but i main a dps scoundrel and PT's have been my nemesis for quite some time.

After rolling one I learned how to deny them their bread and butter.

When i face a pt these are my rules

Do everything in my power to delay that rail shot crit at beginning of engagement.

If they hold the line i cc and wait

to actually get the killing blow( beating the low hp amazing heal they get i can't remember name)I dump everything i got into them right when i start hearing that dam heal go off.

Any class/spec that gets the jump on you is going to be a tough fight.If you get the jump on pt they burn pretty quickly.Their strength just makes them a higher priority.

imo post 3.0 everyone seems strong
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AlrikFassbauer
12.21.2014 , 08:29 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by DethlaHadyn View Post
Let the dust settle.

The crying here is all coming from the inexperienced lower level players getting rolled by higher level experienced players who have access to more utilities. The real problem is the PvP brackets in where lowbies aren't standing a chance.

Powertechs without their cooldowns actually drop really fast. The problem with some people in this thread is that they've lost to a powertech who had all of his available. Once people learn how to counter the new tier of class abilities, we'll see less qq.

Face it people. There will always be someone who plays better than you, regardless of class.
This is one of the more ... balanced ... answers here. Thank you.

I hate it, though, being facerolled in lkower brackets. It just feels bad. Because people will say that I'm a BAD not seeing that I had no chance to begin with.
People actually admitting that one has no chance when being focused by 3 players are THAT scarce that I'd almost give out a prize for finding replies stating it.
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HaoZhao
12.21.2014 , 09:03 AM | #39
The only really big fix that PTs need right now is losing the 75% sped bonus on HO. That utility really belongs on mercenaries, not PTs who were already the kings of kiting even without it.

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Zoom_VI
12.21.2014 , 09:26 AM | #40
If I was in charge, SC would go on a 1.5 sec ICD, or one rocket every GCD, or the full complement of 7 rockets in 7 GCDs.

Quote: Originally Posted by HaoZhao View Post
The only really big fix that PTs need right now is losing the 75% sped bonus on HO. That utility really belongs on mercenaries, not PTs who were already the kings of kiting even without it.
To be fair 10s of 75% speed is kinda ridiculous on anything. It should be no more than 45%. But yeah mercs could really use something nowadays.
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