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Kemosobe
12.26.2011 , 04:51 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by carnac_fett View Post
I'm not going back, because I enjoy the game, and I'm willing to spend a few months without a dual spec feature while waiting for Bioware to finish developing it.

Also, I don't want dual specs just because all modern MMOs have them, I want dual specs because they are a good feature that I have come to expect from any MMO released after 2003.

Someone who enjoys cars with air conditioning in them doesn't need to go back and buy a 2011 model. The 2012 models will have them as well. It's the people that want cars without air conditioning that need to go back to 1950s-era cars, instead of demanding that new models be released without AC.
Again, if you want it simply because you want it, why not go play a game that has it? Also, your car example isn't even accurate given the circumstance. A more accurate model would be that now everyone wants every FPS series to now come out each and every single year simply because CoD does it.

On another note, you are saying that you want certain things because they are standard in MMOs now. The "standard" in an MMO is basically anything that copied WoW. I would now like to take a small look at a few games that introduced or changed concepts in their game to make it more like the WoW model;

Star Wars Galaxies - Game does not even exsist anymore

Warhammer Online - last I heard it was free to play with not very many people even playing it anyway

Rift - Just read somewhere that they don't even have a million subscribers

By wanting Bioware to follow the MMO "standard" you are basically asking them to kill their own game.
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Curious how many would stand in the street staring down an oncoming garbage truck because they don't have DBM telling them to get out of the way.
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Yeah I feel sorry for the devs. The new breed of gamers are so %$$#&^%

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Carnerous
12.26.2011 , 04:52 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Kemosobe View Post
I will push your own words back on you, if you want all these mechanics in SWTOR simply because w/e MMO you came from has them, go back to that MMO seeing as SWTOR is NOT that MMO and (hopefully) never will be.
Why would they spent so much money on a game and then want a customerbase from a 2001 mmo?

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stitchersflock
12.26.2011 , 04:52 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Draccman View Post
Don't be naive. Bioware, you know you are going to have to put it in eventually. Don't let the 10 year old trolls try and convince you that its not needed. WoW has made Dual spec standard MMO practice and rift followed suit. Swtor is missing some key quality of life elements that makes it feel aged even when its a brand new game.

You can even make it so I have to go back to the trainer to do it, that would be fine with me. Dual spec just gives you more possible healers and tanks running around, so I really don't see a downside.

And you 10 year old trolls can shove your choices have consequences crap, this game is full of choices, go make some.
Just because WOW has something does not in ANYWAY make it mandatory for another game. It isn't needed. If you want dual spec, go back to WOW.

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carnac_fett
12.26.2011 , 04:53 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by stitchersflock View Post
Just because WOW has something does not in ANYWAY make it mandatory for another game. It isn't needed. If you want dual spec, go back to WOW.
Gosh, there are a lot of you guys out there today!

Dual Spec is coming soon to TOR.
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Grimmace
12.26.2011 , 04:53 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Wylding View Post
Dual Spec isn't needed at all...WoW is a failed model. Go back to WoW for your dual spec.
Blizzard is sitting on a mountain of money that would argue otherwise.

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Zironic
12.26.2011 , 04:54 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by stitchersflock View Post
Just because WOW has something does not in ANYWAY make it mandatory for another game. It isn't needed. If you want dual spec, go back to WOW.
Why don't you go back to EQ or whatever other dark ancient hole you crawled out from? The reason they're implementing Dual Spec is because it's a massive convenience that makes grouping and PvP more enjoyable for everyone involved.

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Carnerous
12.26.2011 , 04:56 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Kemosobe View Post
Again, if you want it simply because you want it, why not go play a game that has it? Also, your car example isn't even accurate given the circumstance. A more accurate model would be that now everyone wants every FPS series to now come out each and every single year simply because CoD does it.

On another note, you are saying that you want certain things because they are standard in MMOs now. The "standard" in an MMO is basically anything that copied WoW. I would now like to take a small look at a few games that introduced or changed concepts in their game to make it more like the WoW model;

Star Wars Galaxies - Game does not even exsist anymore

Warhammer Online - last I heard it was free to play with not very many people even playing it anyway

Rift - Just read somewhere that they don't even have a million subscribers

By wanting Bioware to follow the MMO "standard" you are basically asking them to kill their own game.
Just because you try to copy something doesnt mean its automatically succesfull and all 3 games afailed at it

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Turribles
12.26.2011 , 04:56 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Tynis View Post
Dual spec is not needed in SWTOR. All dual spec does is give DPS another spec. It does not help with the fact that there is a tank shortage or healer shortage. You can give the players this but still no one will want to tank or heal still. This does not change anything.

Its funny cause everyone yells and screams "Wow clone!!!" or "Wow with lightsabers". Yet the same people want everything in game that WoW has. Whatever
Try finding a tank on most servers to run anything, then come back and tell me dual spec isnt needed.
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carnac_fett
12.26.2011 , 05:00 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Kemosobe View Post
. I would now like to take a small look at a few games that introduced or changed concepts in their game to make it more like the WoW model;

Star Wars Galaxies - Game does not even exsist anymore

Warhammer Online - last I heard it was free to play with not very many people even playing it anyway

Rift - Just read somewhere that they don't even have a million subscribers

By wanting Bioware to follow the MMO "standard" you are basically asking them to kill their own game.
But games without WoW-introduced concepts are doing even more poorly.

Everquest, Ultima Online, and Final Fantasy XI all have fewer players that RIFT.

The message is clear = people don't want old-fashioned games anymore.
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Kemosobe
12.26.2011 , 05:02 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Carnerous View Post
Just because you try to copy something doesnt mean its automatically succesfull and all 3 games afailed at it
All 3 games failed solely because they listened to the people complaining about the game being different (such as yourself I am guessing).

SWG was a HUGE success for an MMO for its time because they broke the mold for what an MMO can do. There was no longer a single class that you picked and played only how that class did.

WAR was also going to try something new by making an MMO that focuses more on RvR (PvP) rather than only giving a normal PvE questing experience. Shortly after launch, they altered things a little bit to be more similar to WoW and drove away there real fanbase, which in turn, drove away everyone else.

Rift was coming onto the scene with, again, a change to the status quo of how MMOs work. Again, after launch they started giving the crying people what they wanted (an MMO more like WoW) and drove away there initial fanbase which, yet again, drove away the rest of the players.
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Curious how many would stand in the street staring down an oncoming garbage truck because they don't have DBM telling them to get out of the way.
Quote: Originally Posted by KROSSDARK View Post
Yeah I feel sorry for the devs. The new breed of gamers are so %$$#&^%