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Game Update 3.0 Class Changes: Guardian + Juggernaut

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Sardonyyx
11.21.2014 , 12:14 AM | #81
"Through Power: Endure Pain increases your movement speed by 50% and grants immunity to movement-impairing effects while active."

Yes, because Jugg/Gaurdians needed more movement in Huttball

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SirMannii
11.21.2014 , 01:57 AM | #82
RIP Mara in YOLO/Normals. Juggernauts just got Hydraulic Override.
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space_mechanic
11.21.2014 , 02:28 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainKillall View Post
Is there a reason Guardian/Juggernaut tanks only get a 3% damage reduction debuff to targets from Warding Strike/Aegis Assault? The other two tank classes get a 5% damage reduction debuff via Slow Time/Wither and Ion Storm/Firestorm. This isn't balanced.
Guardians get 3% damage reduction buff to themselves, not debuff to targets. Same as Guardian Slash does now.
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GrandLordMenace
11.21.2014 , 03:12 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by holmeskywalkr View Post
This only confirm devs dont know their class at all and totally imbalance PvE by buffing more PvP (how it that possible ?) nobody dreamt of that, they made it ! Being guard/jugg dps in PvE is almost a no-sense today 'cause in devs minds we are just supposed to tank ! Delete dps trees, seriously, the vigilance is just a bad hybrid of watchman/combat sentinel tree so let it go, but we're already on the way. Enough complain, thanks for the awesome changes, will do my best with it while others able tanks classes rocks more than ever.

Ridiculous...
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

These changes will be fine, they look fun and our AOE will be insane. Watch, when they stream it, Vigilant Thrust will hit like a truck, after all it has to hit harder than sweep by a fair amount, and if it has a low CD, all the better. Stop worrying and being whiny.
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ThamiarPL
11.21.2014 , 03:33 AM | #85
Great! Really!

As far as I can see, all great changes affects Jugg/Guardian DPS. What Tanks will get? We lost our armor debuff, soresu was totally nerfed...
Retaliation on GCD... 3% dmg reduction while other tank classes get 5%, ageis assault with weak benefits while Vengeance gets aoe bleed effect?! Tragedy! Someone forgot that Iconic Jugg is tank not dps...
They made Juggs kings of DPS. Now, all and sundry will treat Juggs as DPS. Guardian Tank? In 3.0? Who heard about that!? -____-

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Lt-Snake
11.21.2014 , 03:34 AM | #86
jug changes looks good, my only big concern is the removal of retaliate off the GCD that sees like a asinine idea to me, but i would love to hear why..idk maybe they buff the damage or something? anyway looking forward to seeing how this play out on today's stream...still not liking the gcd on retaliate tho

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Khantalas
11.21.2014 , 03:43 AM | #87
Can anyone explain to me how, exactly, Soresu Form was nerfed, besides dealing less damage?

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ThamiarPL
11.21.2014 , 04:09 AM | #88
Lt-Snake, jugg changes looks great not good, but for DPS.

Khantalas, Besides?! It is huge loss! you are dealing less dmg = less threat x2 and you gain accuracy which you did not needed before for PVE 'couse Taunts couldn't miss. We have also lost armor reduction effect?

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Aussircaex
11.21.2014 , 04:16 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Lt-Snake View Post
jug changes looks good, my only big concern is the removal of retaliate off the GCD that sees like a asinine idea to me, but i would love to hear why..idk maybe they buff the damage or something? anyway looking forward to seeing how this play out on today's stream...still not liking the gcd on retaliate tho
I think they said they WERE increasing the damage.

I like this change. I keep Retaliate on CD, but I often feel like I run out of buttons to push as my jugg in tank spec other than Assault. This will smoothe out my ranking rotation a bit, I think.

Quote: Originally Posted by ThamiarPL View Post
Lt-Snake, jugg changes looks great not good, but for DPS.

Khantalas, Besides?! It is huge loss! you are dealing less dmg = less threat x2 and you gain accuracy which you did not needed before for PVE 'couse Taunts couldn't miss. We have also lost armor reduction effect?
If a tank had 0% accuracy before, he will enjoy an 11% increase in damage thanks to the accuracy buff. That compensates for the damage nerf itself nicely.

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Hornakkan
11.21.2014 , 04:18 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by TaitWatson View Post
Happy Thursday! It's Juggernaut and Guardian time for our Discipline combat changes blogs.

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Right now it sounds like crap for (Vigilance) PvE :
- Riposte = buffed but still useless
- Utilites leaked so far are only for PvP and/or Tanks
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