Arenas.

excactly, they are pure geniuses

It's not about just changing a variable. Game programming is more complicated in that variable can be used in another part of the code. You can have pointers or arrays. You can have data structures. I worked on a small game before in a team and it's not as easy as changing a variable. What I though was going to be a one night task turn into a complicated one to two weeks ordeal when I was attempted to change a series of arrays or pointers, can't remember if one or both, into to a data structures for a long code. Assignments are broken up into teams and each team develops their own code. This parts or piece are then put together and hopefully works.

There is a reason development companies don't delete a piece of code despite not using it. Remember that old game grand theft auto where you had that hidden sex scene that cause a scandal? The reason that company did not remove that piece of code is no single programmer or developer know every line of code for the program and removing a piece of code can cause adverse or abnormal behavior in the program. You can think of a program code as a series of functions within a function, which is within another function and so forth, and when you remove or modify it it can affect the output of certain function within another function.

There is no way to be 100 percent certain that nothing will happen since no single person knows the entire programming code line by line. Analogues to no single person knows what will happen when a variable or code is remove and how it will effect a function later in the code. That is why developers and programmers are not so keen on modifying a variables or removing programming lines or codes of lines. However, as I stated we don't know how modifying variables will affect the game. Perhaps those variables also affect npc and their abilities. In short, programming is much like physics in that every thing needs to work precisely.

Yes, pve endgame exploiting happens, but you only affects the npc or program if they lose, the npc won't complain. When insidia or any elite pve guild exploit only a very small portion of the population is affect. Most guilds say they exploit, but don't care since it won't affect them. You can't say that about pvp.

It doesn't just effect r1, but is pervasive throughout the rank system. You can't afford r1 well maybe pay for the next highest rank. Catch my drift. Finally, it defeats the whole purpose of having a ranking system if the top ranks players are exploiting to r1. All sports and games have rules to ensure fair play and to guarantee those that rise to the highest rank are indeed more skilled than their counter parts. If certain players cheat, then you can't state that the game is based on skill, but on who cheats. Thus, arena advocates, based on this thread and in general, clamor to arenas due to competitive and skill based of arenas. If no fair play and exploiting is not punished, then how can you say it's competitive and skill base when the game is obviously who can exploit the most. You can't have both ways either Blizzard or BW police arena to make it competitive or the game won't be competitive inherently due to the lack of policing. If professional sports did not police their own game for use of illicit substances or failed to follow in game rules, then the same would apply. That's one reason why any one watches professional sports due to the fairness of even game play and why professional leagues take violations very serious.

All you will get in a thread like this one is terrible players that dont like arenas cause they reveal how bad they are.
They much prefer going in random BGs so they can happily zerg with the rest nver having to face that they are actually not very good.

Your post makes no sense. There's cheating in any sport. Do you think we should just get rid of the MLB because some baseball players use steroids? It often takes a long time to catch these people and I'm sure some never get caught. That doesn't make the sport inherently uncompetitive.

Blizzard actively punished people who were caught exploiting in arena. There was a guy on my server who got a 96 hour suspension and all his PvP gear removed for win trading. I'm sure BW will do the same.

I still fail to understand how anyone can be "against" arena. If you don't like, don't *********** play it. No one is forcing you. And it will keep most of the actual good PvPers out of your way so you can more easily stomp bads in PuG warzones all day and call yourself a PvP god. That's the real reason people don't like arena. They're carebears. Every game developer has to deal with this mentality that you can't give your customers any reason to feel bad about themselves.

You log in and see your 900 arena rating when you started at 1000 and you realize you're bad at the game and cry yourself to sleep at night. Blizzard had to eliminate their wonderful ELO based arena system and replace it with a farcical system and just do matchmaking with a hidden ELO behind the scenes to alleviate the complaints of cry-babies. Star2 works the same way. On the Star2 ladder, you can't even see how many games you played or lost until you make Master league (top 2%). Only your wins are prominently displayed.

I suspect all the crying about implementing a competitive PvP system in this game stems from the same insecurity. People want to log in with their big unorganized ****** guild and stomp all over world PvP with a huge numerical advantage or queue into warzones with a full team of 8 and **** all over pugs and then talk about how great they are at PvP all day without ever having to face the reality check of an arena rating.

If there's anyone in this thread who was a Gladiator in WoW and thinks arenas are a bad idea, please speak up because I'd be very interested to hear your reasoning. Otherwise I'm going to dismiss this whole thread as bads being bad and carebears carebearing.

Exactly. Nobody wants to have concrete proof that they suck at something. The game, as it is set up, is a casuals wet dream. They can sit there and puff their chest out and claim they are finally good at something. Not hard to be good at something that has a skillcap near the freaking floor.

8. Arenas are fine as long as they dont give access to better gear then grinding random warzones

Wrong. Its (together with rated warzones) the equivalent of endgame raiding. It would be the same if i asked for raid drops to be purchasable for credits. I spend 20 hours farming credits and then i buy the gear. No way. Quality over quantity.


9. DONT INSERT ARENAS I DONT LIKE THEM I DONT PLAY THEM

This is the most troubling thing i read here, and it keeps repeating. Look, you dont like them you dont play them. I dont like flashpoints and ops, i dont (wont) play them. I never called for them to cease to exist because they ruin pvp balance. I (probably) wont like rated warzones, i wont do them. I dont think they shouldnt exist for people that like them.



8. I agree, but I go further and refine your statement. In an elegant design system, arenas are equivalent to dungeons and rated bg are equivalent to raids. Thus, rated bg or rated warzones should provide superior gear to arenas since rated warzone require more organization than mere 3v3, 2v2, or 5v5, which are analogous to dungeons or flashpoints. A hierarchy system for pvp gear is as follows warzons->arenas->rate warzones, where rated warzones award the highest gear quality. Similarly, in pve normal crafted/bought pve gear -> heroic flash points -> raids. The gear system matches nearly numerically with heroic/arena and rated warzones/raids. Thus, the reason why rate warzones should have superior gear to arena, which is analogous to dungeons vs raids in terms of logistics and number of players required.

shush scrub...how many titles on ur belt?want to log chars to check it out?

Your remaining points are moot in that companies don't care about you playing with your friends or if times are friendly or not. Electronic arts and Lucas Arts are only looking at what is profitable and what will return the most investment. I'm sorry, but this is a business and if the numbers don't exist, companies won't that particular aspect of the game you want. It's that simple. The current low participation in arenas in wow is a clear indication that arenas have failed and no major company will developing arenas due to that perceived failure. If arenas were popular, BW would have done it already. No ne who advocates arenas in this thread has provide any hard data that support any of their claims. Using words like "majority of pvp players" isn't going to convince any one with any semblance of intelligence. Any one who has an extensive university education will know right away that statements the use of weasel word without proof or data to support your statement is an opinion that isn't going to sway any one who is an position of authority.

To put it another way. If you were in front of board or suits who decided whether to implement arenas or not your going to need to provide data or proof or no one will take you serious. Similarly, there are a lot of people making statements, but you don't provide not one shred of data, statistics, or evidence.

As a 2200 player from WoW, I don't want arenas. Atleast not any time soon. There's so much crap that needs to be fixed before they even consider adding in something competitive like that.

Screw this...

Give me rated BG's but Never bring in Arenas...

Let's see how many former WoW PvPers cry when they have to field a team of 7 other skilled players rather than just getting 1 person to help them shower themselves in epic loot...

A good PvP game keeps putting their PvP on larger and larger scales...
WoW keeps going smaller and smaller...
Therefore stop thinking WoW is a good PvP game...

/mindshatter!