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Healing reduced by 30% in pvp. WHY!?

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Healing reduced by 30% in pvp. WHY!?
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Repefe
12.26.2011 , 07:56 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by Dabboo View Post
If that is true, there would be no point in playing a healer in pvp. If any one class can negate another then the class you choose is meaningless. The problem with this statement is "survive". If all a healer is doing is trying to survive a fight vs an equally geared dps they should be able to do so relatively easily. They just shouldn't be able to easily kill the dps. But survive, yes. If a healer + damage class given equal skill and gear, cannot defeat a team of two damage dealers, more than 50% of the time, there is no point in having healers.

Given equal skill and gear 2 dps should be able to drop a single healer 100% of the time. Considering it takes my sage 5 heals to get from basically dead to full health, the first at 1.5 seconds and the next 4 at 2.5 seconds, I would hope that even an average player could figure out how to get an interrupt in there somewhere.

If a healer isn't worth more than a dps in terms of survivability, why have heals?
Because if player survive with 20% hp he still survives ? You don't need to negate 100% dmg ... you need to negate enough to make a difference. Healers who can heal for more than dps can dps have no place in fun PvP.

And I am not saying healers in TOR can't heal for more than 1 dps. All the whining right now comes from leveling brackets. I have seen cases where enemy healer was the one reason we lost warzones.
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DemonCowz
12.26.2011 , 08:05 AM | #122
i can heal through about 3 dps if im healing somebody else... if 2 ppl are on me using interupts i can last quite a while healing kiting and using cc.

I feel like healing is in a good place right now and I really enjoy the energy regeneration system for the smuggler and the general feel of the class is great.

Just need those raid frames fixed...

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Nalissi
12.26.2011 , 09:43 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by pitdingo View Post
This. Healing is a complete joke now with the 30% debuff. One less healer here. respecing dps so i can top the meters and get medals.
I get healing to work, it's just the fact of for every 100 HP that's 30 health I didn't heal. Then 300, then 3000, etc etc. When I average 300k a game I'm missing out on 90k healing, let's see how DPS likes losing out on 30% of their DPS to where they don't kill a target while missing 30% of a heal gets a healer killed or a team member killed.

Then again, MOST of these healers QQing sadly don't CC or attack ever. I try to at least do 1/3rd of my healing as damage since I focus on CC and healing. But always have well over 25 kils.

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Ninogan
12.26.2011 , 09:44 AM | #124
What a great thread.

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Golbez
12.26.2011 , 10:53 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by CapuchinSeven View Post
Senefera is well known across a number of EU MMO servers as being a quality competitive PVP healer.

Senefera heals as well as you forum rage, so as you can see Senefera heals pretty well.
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rofl. This thread has such great entertainment. "I hate it when devs discriminate against healers. They hate us!" Really? You think devs have a personal vendetta with healers? That had to have come from a Christmas-festivity-induced drunken moron.

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Vetril
12.26.2011 , 06:25 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by pSyToR View Post
That's what I would say fair... So that means if you put 2 DPS on 1 healer ... He's going down...

= Balanced to me...
Except it is not true.

Happened today: level 26 marauder and level 30-something juggernaut gank a sage. She goes down to like 1/4 of her HP, force pushes us away, ccs the juggy, puts up a bubble, heal heal heal lol lol lol force runs away.

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sanork
12.26.2011 , 06:31 PM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Vetril View Post
Except it is not true.

Happened today: level 26 marauder and level 30-something juggernaut gank a sage. She goes down to like 1/4 of her HP, force pushes us away, ccs the juggy, puts up a bubble, heal heal heal lol lol lol force runs away.
Thats more of a L2P issue for the 2 dps.

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Ganan
12.26.2011 , 06:39 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Repefe View Post
Because if player survive with 20% hp he still survives ? You don't need to negate 100% dmg ... you need to negate enough to make a difference. Healers who can heal for more than dps can dps have no place in fun PvP.

And I am not saying healers in TOR can't heal for more than 1 dps. All the whining right now comes from leveling brackets. I have seen cases where enemy healer was the one reason we lost warzones.
there would be absolutly no point to playing a healer in pvp if he couldnt outheal a single dps attacker period... problem is, as it is atm, thats is close to being the case...
a single dps will comptletly lock out a healer from doing anything but heal, including moving exept for the inq/sage case, if he wants to outheal its dps, and even so, its only a matter of time, and only if the dps doesnt use his CC.
I can only heal other if Im not CC'ed or attacked myself, and even so to be more than 2 on my healing target, the target must be a decent equiped tank.

just because YOU dont think its fun, doesnt mean theres no place for them.
because having played healers for over 7-8 years of MMO gaming experience, ToR pvp healing is by far the least fun experience I ever had, to the point where I dont want to heal anymore and do better specing dps, and healing ocasionally when CC are in or we outnumber our attackers to keep someone alive.

simple logic simple math, if a healer cant outheal a single dps, then there is no reason at all to not play a tank/dps or pure dps at all... numbers vs numbers... its that simple.

and while I do come from a "leveling bracket" I have yet to see a 50 healer without the exact same problems as I have at 40.

Quote: Originally Posted by sanork View Post
Thats more of a L2P issue for the 2 dps.
to say the least... it takes at least 4-6 casts to heal up 1/4 to full hp... during that time no interrupts or CC was used? they didnt break CC? they didnt catch up after getting knockback? they didnt put slow/healing debuff up?

sounds BS to me... or the attackers pushed their charge button and then went afk.
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CHRISGG
12.26.2011 , 06:51 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Repefe View Post
fun PvP.
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Scelerant
12.26.2011 , 06:53 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by sanork View Post
Thats more of a L2P issue for the 2 dps.
Yes and no. If taking down a healer takes 2 coordinated dps, then it becomes a lot like the BH who defended his damage in warzones by saying "You can do the same, just get a pockethealer" when he did the damage without one.
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